2021 Abu Dhabi Grand Prix - Yas Marina, Dec 10 - 12

[Wouter]

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Go Masi...

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Neh .. "They are big Max supporters ever since Max entered F1.
Not surprising the many times they have sided with Max so this says nothing really."

[xaero]

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Go Masi...

I seriously hope that that your favourite team/driver(highly doubtful though) lands in same situation and then there will be many telling "Go Masi"

[Ryar]

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Go Masi...

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Neh .. "They are big Max supporters ever since Max entered F1.
Not surprising the many times they have sided with Max so this says nothing really."

I tell you, it's some kind of conspiracy from Red Bull (current and ex folks).

Michael Masi receives Sebastian Vettel support with FIA race director under the cosh
https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/formula- ... i-26198426

[siskue2005]

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Neh .. "They are big Max supporters ever since Max entered F1.
Not surprising the many times they have sided with Max so this says nothing really."

Did you even read the article
"Back and forth, checking this and that. His schedule is nuts," he added. "That in itself, you've then got fatigue and everything else. Making big decisions is already quite tricky and complex. So probably some assistance is step one for that."

Other than the obvious demands of the job, Ricciardo believes that the sport's growth courtesy of the likes of Drive to Survive has put F1 under the magnifying glass and thereby increased the pressure on Masi and his fellow officials accordingly.

"I feel there is too much pressure on them, to be honest," he said, according to Motorsport Week. "I think the sport in general has a lot more exposure now, which is great in some elements but it also puts others under pressure who probably aren't asking for that pressure or used to it.

"It's hard to look back in time and think when the race director or stewards were so much in the media," he added, "it's kind of quite unique and unknown territory."

Indeed, reflecting on the sheer number of controversial incidents and the subsequent complaints over a lack of consistency in the decision making, Ricciardo believes a "ripple" effect was created.

"I think that's where there was a ripple in the situation and I think that highlighted some of the stuff maybe too much and it then put pressure on the next situation more," he said.

"It already felt intense and I feel everyone should have probably taken a step back," he added. "We are obviously all assigned roles and that person is there for a reason, just let them do it.

"At times there was a lot of interference and I think that made it more messy than it should have been. So less interference in general and let people get on with it probably with less pressure and then see what the outcome is."

"He's been great for a lot of things," said teammate Norris of Masi. "He got thrown in three years ago and of course, from my point of view, he's done a better job every season.

"It's probably the first time things have not gone to plan. We always expect a lot as drivers as we always want things to be perfect so when they're not, we're gonna complain and do on.

"He's a nice guy, he does what he can. It would be a shame to see him go but I'm sure he's gonna stick around."

Asked about the outcome as Yas Marina, Norris replied: "Both deserved to win. Both did an extremely good job. I think Max was a very worthy winner. On the day, Lewis did initially the better job, but then how things turned out."


They both are saying basically what we have been saying here! The race director is a tough job, yada yada. Max and Lewis both deserves the championship. Riccardo and Norris never say "what masi did on the last lap was right" like what andretti was saying. So just a click bait article.

[AeroDynamic]

For me it’s clear Masi has been very affected, which is a shame because a person doesn’t deserve that if they made a genuine mistake but he’s in a tough position because he’s not really allowed to come out and own it.

They’re all basically acknowledging what happened wasn’t correct but want to support Masi as a human being. The change of rhetoric from post Abu Dhabi reactions to now, and the insider rumours about what’s been put to the FIA by the teams, makes me think the FIA and FOM have had conversations with the teams behind the scenes (surprise surprise, we already know that’s happening) and have urged drivers to not fuel the media or public outrage-in some cases unacceptable hatred-that is naturally directed at Masi because of his well-being.

Lance Stroll has not toed this line (and doesn’t need to with the amount of career protection his dad affords him in his own team)

They would’ve anticipated the media asking about this at these launches, and I do think the consistency of most of them saying the same sentiments to the media is probably been spoon-fed to them.

[PlatinumZealot]

This was spooky. Horner saying to Masi that "We only need one racing lap."

Who are "We? "
And one lap to fulfill what?

Did Horner already know it was a forgone conclusion?

Spooky indeed.

[siskue2005]

For me it’s clear Masi has been very affected, which is a shame because a person doesn’t deserve that if they made a genuine mistake but he’s in a tough position because he’s not really allowed to come out and own it.

They’re all basically acknowledging what happened wasn’t correct but want to support Masi as a human being. The change of rhetoric from post Abu Dhabi reactions to now, and the insider rumours about what’s been put to the FIA by the teams, makes me think the FIA and FOM have had conversations with the teams behind the scenes (surprise surprise, we already know that’s happening) and have urged drivers to not fuel the media or public outrage-in some cases unacceptable hatred-that is naturally directed at Masi because of his well-being.

Lance Stroll has not toed this line (and doesn’t need to with the amount of career protection his dad affords him in his own team)

They would’ve anticipated the media asking about this at these launches, and I do think the consistency of most of them saying the same sentiments to the media is probably been spoon-fed to them.

Yeah true.

Vettel saying bascially what Riccardo was saying.

Its a tough job, he has done great things since 2019, yada yada. And there is a lot of pressure to do that job.

But both gloss over the last race by saying he did excellent job previously and to look at the big picture and no where any driver will say what happened on the last race was correct, they will just give political answers.

Its bascially they all are acknowledging the last race sh!t happened and personally they support whatever Masi is going through.

I too feel the same for anyone in Masi's situation. Its a tough job and its tough to go thrrough all that. Bascially if he is fired no other racing series will hire him, and i dont know what job he was doing before he joined FIA.

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'Replacement for Masi possibly coming over from the WEC'

So "No Go Masi?!!"



Eduardo Freitas may be the successor to Michael Masi. This is what Albert Fabrega, a Spanish Formula One journalist, announces in a new Tweet.

Anybody know who he is is? Is he any good?

[Csmith1980]

This was spooky. Horner saying to Masi that "We only need one racing lap."

Who are "We? "
And one lap to fulfill what?

Did Horner already know it was a forgone conclusion?

Spooky indeed.

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I suspect Horner was well aware of the massive advantage max had on fresh soft tyres, an advantage Hamilton had no means to respond.

[dans79]

Toto actually requested “Michael, please no safety car” to take gambles with safety. He also used the radio purely for political purposes. That is just abuse, in no way does that help the racing director to make the best decision, or even a decision that might benefit you.

As if rb wasn't doing the exact same thing.

At least Toto wasn't screaming at Masi, like Horner openly admitted he was.

https://newyorkfolk.com/sport/red-bulls ... ppens-win/

Horner told Sky Sports: “We were screaming at him, ‘Let em race’ . That’s what we’ve been talking about all these years – let them race.

[AeroDynamic]

The irony is, they say that championships should be won on track. But it was Horner who won it off track through lobbying Massi with pressure

With Masi even setting a precedent in deviating from the rules completely to give them what they wanted “we only need one lap.”

[PlatinumZealot]

The irony is, they say that championships should be won on track. But it was Horner who won it off track through lobbying Massi with pressure

With Masi even setting a precedent in deviating from the rules completely to give them what they wanted “we only need one lap.”

When I look on it that way then RedBull do really deserve to win it more than Mercedes! They were hungrier for it.

[SmallSoldier]

Doesn't mean I am 'isolating' the issue; I am just saying that FIA has been influenced both ways, and the selective outrage at the last race is actually isolating a single event while omitting the rest of the season.

The difference is lobbying in the last race compared to other lobbying was a small thing called acutal adherence to rules and ineffect breaking the rules. Thats why eveyone are outraged, i dont think its going it end anytime soon, so i wouldnt waste time trying to supress it in a forum over the wast internet. Its happening everywhere in social media.

Its going to explode again when FIA is going to publish their report!

And you are wrong there. In the last race, Wheatley was suggesting that cars could unlap (all cars, he did not say -some cars-) and due to the short race distance left, did not have to go all the way around before we could resume racing. No different than Toto suggesting 'no safety car please'. That Masi came up with a creative interpretation is not due to RB lobbying. So, suggested and misplaced outrage.

And well, you anyway apparently have no issue with the FIA changing the rules during a season (yes Ringo, Toto -did- lobby for regulations to be changed, just the technical. As they did for the pitstop rule. Stop pretending Toto is a saint and Christian is Satan). You said yourself, they had the right to change the rules for the wings. So why not for the safety car too, then?

For the record, I oppose both. The regulations should be clear and actionable beforehand. No meddling in the season, unless for imminent safety concerns.

Won’t debate if the addition / change of tests are new rules since we will never agree… But even if you consider them as such, one thing is changing rules (and letting teams not only know about the change, but also give them to prepare for it) and another one is changing a rule on the fly, with a couple of laps left on a race, on the final race of the season, with the championship in play… Completely different things

[ringo]

They made changes between competition. Not DURING a race. Technical changes happen in other sports between competition all the time. It does not affect the fairness of competition as all competitors compete fairly while the sporting event is taking place.
Change DURING the even is silly. What Masi did... lets say he did change SC rules at lap 25 to give Max an advantage.. and Lewis still found a way past and was up the road.. then another SC comes out and Max pits for fresh rubber then Masi decides to close the pitlane to precent Lewis from changing to fresh tyres because Wheatley suggested it to him.
That's the big picture that most people are not seeing. Lewis' goose was cooked in that race no matter what strategy Merc chose because the RD was manipulating the race at will and to redbull's delight.
Totto was trying to pull strings with current rules as they are..
Redbull were begging for a maricale outside of the rules. Horner said so himself.

Hey Brawn F1. Nifty front wing and double diffuser you got there. But eh, this is not what we intended when we wrote the rules. So here's a few TDs that make them illegal. No, we did not put any objective criteria to paper that banned this when we first wrote the rules, but surely, you should have just known, right. F1 engineers always know when they are bending or breaking the rules. Anyway
, nothing against you, the rules and TDs are the same for everyone after all. And hey, we're pretty lenient. You have four races to comply!

You are creating a straw man argument talking about wings and diffusers. Those are technical regulations.
I am specifically referring to sporting regulations being changed during a race.

[DChemTech]

They made changes between competition. Not DURING a race. Technical changes happen in other sports between competition all the time. It does not affect the fairness of competition as all competitors compete fairly while the sporting event is taking place.
Change DURING the even is silly. What Masi did... lets say he did change SC rules at lap 25 to give Max an advantage.. and Lewis still found a way past and was up the road.. then another SC comes out and Max pits for fresh rubber then Masi decides to close the pitlane to precent Lewis from changing to fresh tyres because Wheatley suggested it to him.
That's the big picture that most people are not seeing. Lewis' goose was cooked in that race no matter what strategy Merc chose because the RD was manipulating the race at will and to redbull's delight.
Totto was trying to pull strings with current rules as they are..
Redbull were begging for a maricale outside of the rules. Horner said so himself.

Hey Brawn F1. Nifty front wing and double diffuser you got there. But eh, this is not what we intended when we wrote the rules. So here's a few TDs that make them illegal. No, we did not put any objective criteria to paper that banned this when we first wrote the rules, but surely, you should have just known, right. F1 engineers always know when they are bending or breaking the rules. Anyway
, nothing against you, the rules and TDs are the same for everyone after all. And hey, we're pretty lenient. You have four races to comply!

You are creating a straw man argument talking about wings and diffusers. Those are technical regulations.
I am specifically referring to sporting regulations being changed during a race.

No, I just countered you apparently being fine with technical reg changes because they don't happen during a race and affect everyone evenly.