McLaren plans to give the new MCL36 Formula 1 car its on-track debut just before the start of pre-season testing in Barcelona later this month.
https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/mclar ... t/8100999/
Those were mainly sponsor driven, to be fair, PMI, West and Mercedes (Silver Arrows)UnaF1 wrote: ↑12 Feb 2022, 10:45What I meant was that there's no clear Mclaren signature. Each and every year it looks like creating the livery from scratch, there's no continuity. In my opinion, the small teams can afford to change it every year, but not Mclaren. Just take a look at '80s and' 90s, hell even '00s McL liveries, there's a constant patternSmallSoldier wrote: ↑12 Feb 2022, 06:54The use of the light blue was due to the very positive reception that the Gulf livery had last yearJordanMugen wrote: ↑12 Feb 2022, 01:24
I had a go at "fixing" the McLaren livery:
https://i.imgur.com/zjCX1Ro.png
Perhaps such a design as the left is too plain and too boring for the talented McLaren graphic designers?
The use of light blue and unpainted carbon (or black) certainly gives a more fun characteristic to the livery!
Yep, because Gary Anderson doesn’t usually make sense,
The car is still not fully ready and they are pushing hard so they can have the filming day.... Hmmm_cerber1 wrote: ↑12 Feb 2022, 12:40McLaren plans to give the new MCL36 Formula 1 car its on-track debut just before the start of pre-season testing in Barcelona later this month.
https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/mclar ... t/8100999/
Exactly! So there’s good reason to stay calmbauc wrote: ↑12 Feb 2022, 17:24
His score is pretty bad, every car he says looks great ends up at the bottom and vice versa, so we are on a good track then
Giorgio Piola thinks real Red Bull will use pushrod at the rear as well. https://it.motorsport.com/f1/news/f1-mc ... o/8104939/
The push rod at the rear will give more area for the diffuser, but wont that interupt flow to the beam wing? which in turn wont be able to suck out air from the diffuser.. hence whats the point?FittingMechanics wrote: ↑12 Feb 2022, 21:19Giorgio Piola thinks real Red Bull will use pushrod at the rear as well. https://it.motorsport.com/f1/news/f1-mc ... o/8104939/
I'm sure Gary Anderson will find understand by then.
I guess there are a couple of considerations… On the one hand, the cars that carry over an identity, their liveries where driven by the title sponsor (for example, PMI or Vodafone) so there had to be certain consistency since it was all about driving a brand for the sponsor, that’s not the case today… On the other hand, times have also changed and the average McLaren fan belongs to a different era where unluckily the attention span is very (extremely) small… And just as for you the fact that there isn’t much continuity is a problem, for that generation continuity would mean “boring” or “uninspired” which isn’t the image that McLaren is trying to drive for their sponsors.UnaF1 wrote: ↑12 Feb 2022, 10:45What I meant was that there's no clear Mclaren signature. Each and every year it looks like creating the livery from scratch, there's no continuity. In my opinion, the small teams can afford to change it every year, but not Mclaren. Just take a look at '80s and' 90s, hell even '00s McL liveries, there's a constant patternSmallSoldier wrote: ↑12 Feb 2022, 06:54The use of the light blue was due to the very positive reception that the Gulf livery had last yearJordanMugen wrote: ↑12 Feb 2022, 01:24
I had a go at "fixing" the McLaren livery:
https://i.imgur.com/zjCX1Ro.png
Perhaps such a design as the left is too plain and too boring for the talented McLaren graphic designers?
The use of light blue and unpainted carbon (or black) certainly gives a more fun characteristic to the livery!
So why not simply paint the car in papaya, with or without blue accents, as Bruce McLaren did?Ground Effect wrote: ↑12 Feb 2022, 15:23Those were mainly sponsor driven, to be fair, PMI, West and Mercedes (Silver Arrows)
The problem with Indycar, NASCAR or touring car liveries that change every season for no reason, with different stripes and colours for no particular reason, is that later on it is almost impossible to work out which season is which!SmallSoldier wrote: ↑12 Feb 2022, 21:29“boring” or “uninspired” which isn’t the image that McLaren is trying to drive for their sponsors.
I like the black stripe on the back. It's a nice area to line out those sponsor logos.
The funny thing with taste is that… It isn’t the same for everyone… For example, I wasn’t a fan of the test livery in 97 and don’t think I would like the car in a livery that is only orange… I guess that you will never be able to please everyone when it comes to liveries.JordanMugen wrote: ↑12 Feb 2022, 22:55So why not simply paint the car in papaya, with or without blue accents, as Bruce McLaren did?Ground Effect wrote: ↑12 Feb 2022, 15:23Those were mainly sponsor driven, to be fair, PMI, West and Mercedes (Silver Arrows)
https://cdn-1.motorsport.com/images/mgl ... aren-1.jpg
While the McLaren 2022 livery is very fun, it is just not very elegant IMO. How hard can it be to just get some papaya paint and paint the car as below? It works for Aston Martin after all, a simple green livery with a bit of a yellow stripe and all the sponsors on the green background -- too easy and everyone loves it!
https://cdn-1.motorsport.com/static/img ... center.jpg
https://www.formula1.com/content/dam/fo ... /image.jpg
The problem with Indycar, NASCAR or touring car liveries that change every season for no reason, with different stripes and colours for no particular reason, is that later on it is almost impossible to work out which season is which!SmallSoldier wrote: ↑12 Feb 2022, 21:29“boring” or “uninspired” which isn’t the image that McLaren is trying to drive for their sponsors.
Is that the 2019 West Surrey Racing BMW, is that the 2020 West Surrey Racing BMW, or is that the 2021 West Surrey Racing BMW... Who knows?!
https://i.imgur.com/Z6XqFNf.png
[Of all entities, BMW M have a very recognisable livery (here in traditional form at the Bathurst 12 hour on the M6 GT3), so why you would mess around with other stripes and base colours despite having exactly the same sponsors -- who knows!]
So if you have a good design, or just a simple painted car in the case of Ferrari and McLaren, why not just keep it the same?
2021 Ferrari livery will be remembered for all the wrong reasons "that's the one with the ugly burgundy bit at the rear of the car for no reason", but all the other red liveries with red wings from 2018-2020 fit together nicely in a series.
The core goals of recognisable team identity and sponsor legibility often seem to be forgotten by livery designers! Black writing on a light blue background is hard to read and is not a particularly good choice -- black on orange is better, white on black is better (but it is a McLaren not an Orange Arrows, Renault also went off the rails with a predominantly black car instead of predominantly in their team colour yellow), white on dark blue is better.
Of course it could be worse, so us fans (who would expect a car manufacturer, as opposed to some Rallycross racer, to have a more elegant livery) can't complain!
https://www.indycar.com/-/media/IndyCar ... a=en&w=940
Dreaming is free, right?Emag wrote: ↑13 Feb 2022, 01:28Was re-watching some of the older races for fun, and this one got me a bit nostalgic ...
https://i.imgur.com/ZbFZYrk.png
Will we experience the thrill of starting a season as title contenders again I wonder? It's been so long