2021 Abu Dhabi Grand Prix - Yas Marina, Dec 10 - 12

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Re: 2021 Abu Dhabi Grand Prix - Yas Marina, Dec 10 - 12

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Ryar wrote:
17 Feb 2022, 18:34
PlatinumZealot wrote:
17 Feb 2022, 18:15
The asterisk is enough for me as I am fine with Max being world champion. Doesn't hurt. I'm glad for him.

The main thing Lewis can take from this is that everybody knows he did enough to achieve 8XWDC. His legend is still cemented and it's all a bonus from here on out.
Does driving cars 2 second a lap quicker with a subservient team mate counts as *? For some it does for sure.
If that is the case then some of the greatest drivers titles must also come with an asterisk, no?

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Ryar wrote:
17 Feb 2022, 18:34
PlatinumZealot wrote:
17 Feb 2022, 18:15
The asterisk is enough for me as I am fine with Max being world champion. Doesn't hurt. I'm glad for him.

The main thing Lewis can take from this is that everybody knows he did enough to achieve 8XWDC. His legend is still cemented and it's all a bonus from here on out.
Does driving cars 2 second a lap quicker with a subservient team mate counts as *? For some it does for sure.
Its called MOTORsports, this is not athletics. You need a car to win, as long as the car is legal or doesn't matter if it is 2seconds faster or 10 seconds.

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Tizz wrote:
17 Feb 2022, 18:35
AeroDynamic wrote:
17 Feb 2022, 18:27
Tizz wrote:
17 Feb 2022, 18:26
Just replacing Masi will solve nothing. First of all, it is such a unique position that it is highly unlikely that they have anyone else better prepared for this chaotic position and will therefor deliver a better performance. They need a new way of controlling the races.

Apart from this, my vote is on Kimi as commissioner or whatever it is called. He doesn't need a rulebook to know what is right or wrong.
Have you read the statement from the FIA?
I reacted on Platinums and others relief that Masi got the boot. Like I said, it solves nothing and they have nobody that would have doen a better job.

No, I read the article on motorsport. It doesn't tell you in any way how the "Abu Dhabi-situation" will be avoided. It states the the whole system will be changed but I did not really find how it will work in the future.
2 alternating RD's, extra help from officials and no direct contact between the teams and RD.
so i would say the FIA's strategy to avoid a repeat is to lessen the pressure on the RD and remove team influence

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Tizz wrote:
17 Feb 2022, 18:35
AeroDynamic wrote:
17 Feb 2022, 18:27
Tizz wrote:
17 Feb 2022, 18:26
Just replacing Masi will solve nothing. First of all, it is such a unique position that it is highly unlikely that they have anyone else better prepared for this chaotic position and will therefor deliver a better performance. They need a new way of controlling the races.

Apart from this, my vote is on Kimi as commissioner or whatever it is called. He doesn't need a rulebook to know what is right or wrong.
Have you read the statement from the FIA?
I reacted on Platinums and others relief that Masi got the boot. Like I said, it solves nothing and they have nobody that would have doen a better job.

No, I read the article on motorsport. It doesn't tell you in any way how the "Abu Dhabi-situation" will be avoided. It states the the whole system will be changed but I did not really find how it will work in the future.
Think Freitas is much better than Masi. Consistent, strong leader and tough.

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Tizz wrote:
17 Feb 2022, 18:35
AeroDynamic wrote:
17 Feb 2022, 18:27
Tizz wrote:
17 Feb 2022, 18:26
Just replacing Masi will solve nothing. First of all, it is such a unique position that it is highly unlikely that they have anyone else better prepared for this chaotic position and will therefor deliver a better performance. They need a new way of controlling the races.

Apart from this, my vote is on Kimi as commissioner or whatever it is called. He doesn't need a rulebook to know what is right or wrong.
Have you read the statement from the FIA?
I reacted on Platinums and others relief that Masi got the boot. Like I said, it solves nothing and they have nobody that would have doen a better job.

No, I read the article on motorsport. It doesn't tell you in any way how the "Abu Dhabi-situation" will be avoided. It states the the whole system will be changed but I did not really find how it will work in the future.
:wtf: Okay
the team principles and the CEO of F1 + The FIA have a different opinion to you though.

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Ryar wrote:
17 Feb 2022, 18:34
PlatinumZealot wrote:
17 Feb 2022, 18:15
The asterisk is enough for me as I am fine with Max being world champion. Doesn't hurt. I'm glad for him.

The main thing Lewis can take from this is that everybody knows he did enough to achieve 8XWDC. His legend is still cemented and it's all a bonus from here on out.
Does driving cars 2 second a lap quicker with a subservient team mate counts as *? For some it does for sure.
Who is some? :)
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Tizz wrote:
17 Feb 2022, 18:26
Just replacing Masi will solve nothing. First of all, it is such a unique position that it is highly unlikely that they have anyone else better prepared for this chaotic position and will therefor deliver a better performance. They need a new way of controlling the races.
A number of members of this forum would probably do better than any current FIA employee!
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morefirejules08 wrote:
17 Feb 2022, 18:37
Ryar wrote:
17 Feb 2022, 18:34
PlatinumZealot wrote:
17 Feb 2022, 18:15
The asterisk is enough for me as I am fine with Max being world champion. Doesn't hurt. I'm glad for him.

The main thing Lewis can take from this is that everybody knows he did enough to achieve 8XWDC. His legend is still cemented and it's all a bonus from here on out.
Does driving cars 2 second a lap quicker with a subservient team mate counts as *? For some it does for sure.
If that is the case then some of the greatest drivers titles must also come with an asterisk, no?
Including Max's as shown by what transpired in Abu Dhabi, and throughout the season!
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morefirejules08 wrote:
17 Feb 2022, 18:40
Tizz wrote:
17 Feb 2022, 18:35
AeroDynamic wrote:
17 Feb 2022, 18:27


Have you read the statement from the FIA?
I reacted on Platinums and others relief that Masi got the boot. Like I said, it solves nothing and they have nobody that would have doen a better job.

No, I read the article on motorsport. It doesn't tell you in any way how the "Abu Dhabi-situation" will be avoided. It states the the whole system will be changed but I did not really find how it will work in the future.
2 alternating RD's, extra help from officials and no direct contact between the teams and RD.
so i would say the FIA's strategy to avoid a repeat is to lessen the pressure on the RD and remove team influence
I dont really understand how they are going to resolve the "lack of consistency of decisions" by alternating the role between two different people rather than just one.

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Ryar wrote:
17 Feb 2022, 18:34
PlatinumZealot wrote:
17 Feb 2022, 18:15
The asterisk is enough for me as I am fine with Max being world champion. Doesn't hurt. I'm glad for him.

The main thing Lewis can take from this is that everybody knows he did enough to achieve 8XWDC. His legend is still cemented and it's all a bonus from here on out.
Does driving cars 2 second a lap quicker with a subservient team mate counts as *? For some it does for sure.
Plenty of people put Michael up in the list of all time greats... :wink:
If you are more fortunate than others, build a larger table not a taller fence.

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mrluke wrote:
17 Feb 2022, 18:58
morefirejules08 wrote:
17 Feb 2022, 18:40
Tizz wrote:
17 Feb 2022, 18:35
I reacted on Platinums and others relief that Masi got the boot. Like I said, it solves nothing and they have nobody that would have doen a better job.

No, I read the article on motorsport. It doesn't tell you in any way how the "Abu Dhabi-situation" will be avoided. It states the the whole system will be changed but I did not really find how it will work in the future.
2 alternating RD's, extra help from officials and no direct contact between the teams and RD.
so i would say the FIA's strategy to avoid a repeat is to lessen the pressure on the RD and remove team influence
I dont really understand how they are going to resolve the "lack of consistency of decisions" by alternating the role between two different people rather than just one.
By having a permanent and consistent senior advisor overseeing them in Herbie Blash.

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Re: 2021 Abu Dhabi Grand Prix - Yas Marina, Dec 10 - 12

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Ryar wrote:
17 Feb 2022, 18:34
PlatinumZealot wrote:
17 Feb 2022, 18:15
The asterisk is enough for me as I am fine with Max being world champion. Doesn't hurt. I'm glad for him.

The main thing Lewis can take from this is that everybody knows he did enough to achieve 8XWDC. His legend is still cemented and it's all a bonus from here on out.
Does driving cars 2 second a lap quicker with a subservient team mate counts as *? For some it does for sure.
As expected :lol:
We need a miracle. We need only one racing lap.

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I cannot believe Masi got fired just for Abu Dhabi. Must be more that people worn f happy about the last 3 years.

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mrluke wrote:
17 Feb 2022, 18:58
morefirejules08 wrote:
17 Feb 2022, 18:40
Tizz wrote:
17 Feb 2022, 18:35
I reacted on Platinums and others relief that Masi got the boot. Like I said, it solves nothing and they have nobody that would have doen a better job.

No, I read the article on motorsport. It doesn't tell you in any way how the "Abu Dhabi-situation" will be avoided. It states the the whole system will be changed but I did not really find how it will work in the future.
2 alternating RD's, extra help from officials and no direct contact between the teams and RD.
so i would say the FIA's strategy to avoid a repeat is to lessen the pressure on the RD and remove team influence
I dont really understand how they are going to resolve the "lack of consistency of decisions" by alternating the role between two different people rather than just one.
I assume that is where the extra officials come in, they are likely to be assistant RD’s.

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Tizz wrote:
17 Feb 2022, 18:26
PlatinumZealot wrote:
17 Feb 2022, 17:22
siskue2005 wrote:
17 Feb 2022, 16:39
Finally, Masi is replaced 👍 =D>

https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/arti ... 98oPE.html
Thank God justice was delivered! =D> =D> =D>

As race director he should be held to the highest standards of integrity. Faltering in the heat of the moment is no excuse to do what he did.
Just replacing Masi will solve nothing. First of all, it is such a unique position that it is highly unlikely that they have anyone else better prepared for this chaotic position and will therefor deliver a better performance. They need a new way of controlling the races.

Apart from this, my vote is on Kimi as commissioner or whatever it is called. He doesn't need a rulebook to know what is right or wrong. The unpredictable outcome on tracklimits and overtakings issues is no good for anybody.

Replacing Masi is the most important peice of the puzzle.

Unlikely they have anyone else better? Masi was the worst. Ever since he began it has been mistakes all around and inconsistencies. At first it was conservative mistakes like calling for red flags when they weren't needed, and then there were wild mistakes that were borderline dangerous.

Incompetent. Glad to see the back of him. Anyone who can follow the books is already better than him even if they take slower decisions.
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