Ferrari F1-75

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ryaan2904
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Emag wrote:
18 Feb 2022, 14:30
Henri wrote:
18 Feb 2022, 13:53
It better top 2 in Barcelona timing laps
Laptimes are just about the most worthless piece of information you can extract from a testing session. It literally tells you nothing about how the car will perform because you have zero idea on what each team are doing and under what conditions everyone set their laptimes.
Historically, the top teams have always been on the top tho. Even when doing the long runs.
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Fer.Fan wrote:
18 Feb 2022, 17:45
JPower wrote:
18 Feb 2022, 17:28
https://preview.redd.it/d9oue3jjzli81.j ... 5639191836

That roll hoop inlet is tiny. Have to wonder what they saw in their data to go with the low cooling setup vs the centerline many of the other teams use.
the answer is higher downforce and more efficient car. Thats why Ferrari have small rollhop. They want more clean air to rearwing, to have more downforce. Cooling by centerline means more cooling is packed in centerline and rollhop is much bigger. Another reason the center of gravity is higher in center cooled cars. Cars have more weight higer up and that is not good for driveability in corners. On the other hand with center booling you kan have smaller sidepods and bigger undercat.
Plus Ferrari has no split turbo. That already makes the start off position/decisions for packaging different to Honda and Mercedes powered teams.

Henri
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ryaan2904 wrote:
18 Feb 2022, 18:04
Emag wrote:
18 Feb 2022, 14:30
Henri wrote:
18 Feb 2022, 13:53
It better top 2 in Barcelona timing laps
Laptimes are just about the most worthless piece of information you can extract from a testing session. It literally tells you nothing about how the car will perform because you have zero idea on what each team are doing and under what conditions everyone set their laptimes.
Historically, the top teams have always been on the top tho. Even when doing the long runs.
Barcelona testing has always been accurate

Emag
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ryaan2904 wrote:
18 Feb 2022, 18:04
Emag wrote:
18 Feb 2022, 14:30
Henri wrote:
18 Feb 2022, 13:53
It better top 2 in Barcelona timing laps
Laptimes are just about the most worthless piece of information you can extract from a testing session. It literally tells you nothing about how the car will perform because you have zero idea on what each team are doing and under what conditions everyone set their laptimes.
Historically, the top teams have always been on the top tho. Even when doing the long runs.
Long runs are a different thing. You said you expect them top 2, and that implies being in the top 2 of the best times.

And your first point is not valid.

We have had teams leading testing sessions which didn't even brake the top 5 in the final standings.

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Interesting angle.. looks fat :D
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ryaan2904
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Emag wrote:
18 Feb 2022, 18:09
ryaan2904 wrote:
18 Feb 2022, 18:04
Emag wrote:
18 Feb 2022, 14:30


Laptimes are just about the most worthless piece of information you can extract from a testing session. It literally tells you nothing about how the car will perform because you have zero idea on what each team are doing and under what conditions everyone set their laptimes.
Historically, the top teams have always been on the top tho. Even when doing the long runs.
Long runs are a different thing. You said you expect them top 2, and that implies being in the top 2 of the best times.

And your first point is not valid.

We have had teams leading testing sessions which didn't even brake the top 5 in the final standings.
I didn't mean "only" in long runs. I meant in the overall time charts, that even if the top teams are just doing high fuel-load, low engine modes, reliability runs (aka long runs), they've always maintained the status quo.
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ryaan2904
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Sieper wrote:
18 Feb 2022, 18:08
Fer.Fan wrote:
18 Feb 2022, 17:45
JPower wrote:
18 Feb 2022, 17:28
https://preview.redd.it/d9oue3jjzli81.j ... 5639191836

That roll hoop inlet is tiny. Have to wonder what they saw in their data to go with the low cooling setup vs the centerline many of the other teams use.
the answer is higher downforce and more efficient car. Thats why Ferrari have small rollhop. They want more clean air to rearwing, to have more downforce. Cooling by centerline means more cooling is packed in centerline and rollhop is much bigger. Another reason the center of gravity is higher in center cooled cars. Cars have more weight higer up and that is not good for driveability in corners. On the other hand with center booling you kan have smaller sidepods and bigger undercat.
Plus Ferrari has no split turbo. That already makes the start off position/decisions for packaging different to Honda and Mercedes powered teams.
Are we sure that Ferrari has no split turbo?
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JPower
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ryaan2904 wrote:
18 Feb 2022, 18:53
Sieper wrote:
18 Feb 2022, 18:08
Fer.Fan wrote:
18 Feb 2022, 17:45


the answer is higher downforce and more efficient car. Thats why Ferrari have small rollhop. They want more clean air to rearwing, to have more downforce. Cooling by centerline means more cooling is packed in centerline and rollhop is much bigger. Another reason the center of gravity is higher in center cooled cars. Cars have more weight higer up and that is not good for driveability in corners. On the other hand with center booling you kan have smaller sidepods and bigger undercat.
Plus Ferrari has no split turbo. That already makes the start off position/decisions for packaging different to Honda and Mercedes powered teams.
Are we sure that Ferrari has no split turbo?
Yes.

MTL79
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Is there any indication that Ferrari's floor is just a presentation version?

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What if the bulges on the outside are just ducts and the radiators and heat exchangers are all packed by the gills. Then they'd be up to the gills in radiators.
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jumpingfish wrote:
18 Feb 2022, 18:24
Interesting angle.. looks fat :D
https://cdn-1.motorsport.com/images/mgl ... -75-1.webp
And fast... look at it gain on the vehicle ahead of it. The closing rate is phenomenal.
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gcdugas wrote:
18 Feb 2022, 21:04
jumpingfish wrote:
18 Feb 2022, 18:24
Interesting angle.. looks fat :D
https://cdn-1.motorsport.com/images/mgl ... -75-1.webp
And fast... look at it gain on the vehicle ahead of it. The closing rate is phenomenal.
That's true of any F1 car from any era compared to any road car.

Fer.Fan
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Binotto on new car. Thay can repack sidepods during seasong if needed;

“If you look at the body shape we have got, [it is] quite wide, certainly, we have not filled underbody the full space, so we have got flexibility certainly in the middle of the car, in the bodywork. It’s worth somehow the regulations have got most of the freedom.

“If you look at the regulations it’s quite [prescriptive] on the front wing, on the nose, rear wing but there’s much more flexibility around the bodywork but the way we have packaged our power unit that will leave us some freedom in the future if we do at least at the start if there are other directions that can be promising.”

wowgr8
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I highly doubt it's mid season. Ferrari aren't the type to bring a b-car or change a car around drastically mid season. If these sidepods don't work the change will come next year

Fer.Fan
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Fer.Fan wrote:
18 Feb 2022, 21:41
Binotto on new car. Thay can repack sidepods during seasong if needed;

“If you look at the body shape we have got, [it is] quite wide, certainly, we have not filled underbody the full space, so we have got flexibility certainly in the middle of the car, in the bodywork. It’s worth somehow the regulations have got most of the freedom.

“If you look at the regulations it’s quite [prescriptive] on the front wing, on the nose, rear wing but there’s much more flexibility around the bodywork but the way we have packaged our power unit that will leave us some freedom in the future if we do at least at the start if there are other directions that can be promising.”
This interview shows that ferrari are unsure of their concept and are ready to act during the season. Sidepods are WIDE and draggy. Just compare to W13 and RBR18. Packaging of Ferraris PU, bodywork and sidepods, I am concerned…
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