Mercedes W13

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FWandE wrote:
20 Feb 2022, 11:16
Stu wrote:
20 Feb 2022, 11:04
gcdugas wrote:
20 Feb 2022, 06:40


Like a golf ball... dimples better than smooth...
Only if the ball is spinning. Does the floor spin?
No, but the floor doesn't have dimples either. It has a wave pattern. It's either a red herring or it is something that has a real beneficial effect in wind tunnel and/or simulation. If it is still on the car later in the season we can assume it is working. If it is changed or removed we can assume it is not.
Does anyone have new ideas about what it is doing? Is it just a way of generating vortices without breaking the rules? Or could it affect airflow in other ways?

That area is strongly out-washing, not only because it always has been even in previous regulations, also because of how the vanes shaped. So I'm going to assume air is flowing diagonally across, or outboard in that area on the underside.

You aslo notice that the waves start small
then gradually increase in size.

My deduction is that the wavey edge guides the air flowing of the top of the floor into little fingers. They will roll into a vortex, but that floor edge vortex will also happen without the wavy edge also, so I wont talk too much about the vortex.

So these fingers ir small jets of air, are higher velocity than if they were on flat sheet of air. The higher local velocity of these fingers if air makes it harder for them to turn under neath the floor.

While this is happening in between the fingers there are also slower moving bands of air that come from the high side of the wave. These slower bands of higher static pressure shoud roll up easier into the typical floor edge vortex.

So what I think is happening is that the wavy edge is a way to split air in two, one half to make a tighter but not too strong vortex, and the other half to pass further downstream for other use. A sort of splitter, or filter if you will.

Ther overall result should be less drag from the floor since you have a weaker but just "enough" floor edge vortex to energize the floow as needed and you preserve some of that air from the undercut to be pull back in to the coke or to manage rear tyre squirt.

Im not an aero guy so it's just a wild guess! Believe at your own peril!
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What's the little removable panel on the very tip of the nose for? I noticed also that the new Ferrari has a cut line in roughly the same area, as if the potion of the nose above the main plane is removeable.

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Pandamasque wrote:
20 Feb 2022, 15:21
https://i.imgur.com/gqf4W2B.png

What's the little removable panel on the very tip of the nose for? I noticed also that the new Ferrari has a cut line in roughly the same area, as if the potion of the nose above the main plane is removeable.
"pocket" where weight ballast is added to tune weight distribution.

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f1motta wrote:
19 Feb 2022, 21:02
Most likely from the front wing flap adjuster, but they are generating it from underneath rather than above. Quite impressive.

EDIT: Looking at the RB18 (the real one), they appear to be doing the same. The two top teams seem to be on it as it expected!

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NicoS wrote:
20 Feb 2022, 15:26
Pandamasque wrote:
20 Feb 2022, 15:21
https://i.imgur.com/gqf4W2B.png

What's the little removable panel on the very tip of the nose for? I noticed also that the new Ferrari has a cut line in roughly the same area, as if the potion of the nose above the main plane is removeable.
"pocket" where weight ballast is added to tune weight distribution.
I don't see ballast being placed all the way out there...

They had a camera and/or other piece of instrumentation mounted there during the shakedown. Doubtful that it's anything permanent.

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west52keep64 wrote:
20 Feb 2022, 16:04
f1motta wrote:
19 Feb 2022, 21:02
Most likely from the front wing flap adjuster, but they are generating it from underneath rather than above. Quite impressive.

EDIT: Looking at the RB18 (the real one), they appear to be doing the same. The two top teams seem to be on it as it expected!
Isn't this the Y250 seen from underneath the high front wing?

Which footage of the RB18 shows a vortex? Every video or picture available has a horrible quality.

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LM10 wrote:
20 Feb 2022, 16:40
Isn't this the Y250 seen from underneath the high front wing?

Which footage of the RB18 shows a vortex? Every video or picture available has a horrible quality.
There isn't a video/picture of the RB18 showing a vortex, but the image showing the car being moved to/from a truck show the front wing has a similar step to the Mercedes so most likely will generate a similar vortex.

Although this is similar, it's not really a Y250 vortex because the 250mm neutral section no longer exists.

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cooken wrote:
20 Feb 2022, 16:30
NicoS wrote:
20 Feb 2022, 15:26
Pandamasque wrote:
20 Feb 2022, 15:21
https://i.imgur.com/gqf4W2B.png

What's the little removable panel on the very tip of the nose for? I noticed also that the new Ferrari has a cut line in roughly the same area, as if the potion of the nose above the main plane is removeable.
"pocket" where weight ballast is added to tune weight distribution.
I don't see ballast being placed all the way out there...

They had a camera and/or other piece of instrumentation mounted there during the shakedown. Doubtful that it's anything permanent.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FL5b-qrXoBE ... name=large
'10s F1 cars had ballast placed in the neutral wing section, so the possibility is not that implausible
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Car looks like the w10 with and upgraded floor 😀.. hope its just as fast🏅✔️

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cooken wrote:
20 Feb 2022, 16:30
NicoS wrote:
20 Feb 2022, 15:26
Pandamasque wrote:
20 Feb 2022, 15:21
https://i.imgur.com/gqf4W2B.png

What's the little removable panel on the very tip of the nose for? I noticed also that the new Ferrari has a cut line in roughly the same area, as if the potion of the nose above the main plane is removeable.
"pocket" where weight ballast is added to tune weight distribution.
I don't see ballast being placed all the way out there...

They had a camera and/or other piece of instrumentation mounted there during the shakedown. Doubtful that it's anything permanent.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FL5b-qrXoBE ... name=large
That is where they place ballast.

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Stu wrote:
20 Feb 2022, 14:21
The dimples only work to reduce the boundary layer if the ball is rotating.
That's but one way to alter the boundary layer.

Here is some mid/late 80's tech that held win back the America's Cup.

https://www.americas-cup-history.at/eng ... 201987.htm
https://www.americas-cup-history.at/eng ... 201987.htm
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dans79 wrote:
20 Feb 2022, 19:43
Stu wrote:
20 Feb 2022, 14:21
The dimples only work to reduce the boundary layer if the ball is rotating.
That's but one way to alter the boundary layer.

Here is some mid/late 80's tech that held win back the America's Cup.

https://www.americas-cup-history.at/eng ... 201987.htm
https://www.americas-cup-history.at/eng ... 201987.htm
From the link:
“A crazy development were the “riblets”. The 3-M company produced self-adhesive, soft plastic sheets of about 40 x 30 inches which were placed all over the underwater hull. They had longitudinal, very small V-shaped grooves like that of a gramophone disc. Very simply explained these grooves caused microscopic small turbulences between the hull and the surrounding water-flow. This kind of “separation” made the boat more “slippery” and faster. The team estimated time advantages of 15 sec (hard wind ) up to 1 min ( light breeze ) on the racing course.”

Nice find. Thank you for that. 👍 =D>
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I don't think I've seen a team not running those slots yet! Williams, AMR, McLaren, Ferrari all had them for their shakedowns as well

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organic wrote:
20 Feb 2022, 21:34
I don't think I've seen a team not running those slots yet! Williams, AMR, McLaren, Ferrari all had them for their shakedowns as well
From what I can find, it is part of the structure for the wheel deflector.
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