Red Bull RB18

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Just_a_fan wrote:
23 Feb 2022, 12:22
Varusi_12 wrote:
23 Feb 2022, 12:19
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202202 ... 7e439f.jpg

Red: Lower suspension arms
Green: Steering arm
Yellow: Pull rod
Blue: Strange upper suspension arms??

Can anyone explain the blue ones?
They are the top "wishbone" although they're set up as separate links. Presumably done for airflow reasons.
Geometrically, will lower the front under braking. Trying to maximize front downforce while entering a corner?

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Could this be a special camera now for testing to monitor tire sidewall flex? The temperature sensor seems to be on the floor as per usual?

EDIT: now I cannot find the floor mounted sensor anymore #-o
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Just_a_fan wrote:
23 Feb 2022, 12:22
Varusi_12 wrote:
23 Feb 2022, 12:19
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202202 ... 7e439f.jpg

Red: Lower suspension arms
Green: Steering arm
Yellow: Pull rod
Blue: Strange upper suspension arms??

Can anyone explain the blue ones?
They are the top "wishbone" although they're set up as separate links. Presumably done for airflow reasons.
I believe Alfa Romeo has a similar arrangement with its top wishbone (though is of course push rather than pull)?

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Just_a_fan wrote:
23 Feb 2022, 12:22
They are the top "wishbone" although they're set up as separate links. Presumably done for airflow reasons.
Either separate links or a classic anti-dive setup which uses angeled attachment points for the two wishbones.

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ojir19 wrote:
23 Feb 2022, 12:16
matt_s wrote:
23 Feb 2022, 12:12
AOA on that beam wing reminds me of the Mclaren suspension blockers from 2014.
this one?
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Offtopic: For me this years Mercedes beam wing look more like McLaren suspension blockers
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BassVirolla wrote:
23 Feb 2022, 12:29
Just_a_fan wrote:
23 Feb 2022, 12:22
Varusi_12 wrote:
23 Feb 2022, 12:19
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202202 ... 7e439f.jpg

Red: Lower suspension arms
Green: Steering arm
Yellow: Pull rod
Blue: Strange upper suspension arms??

Can anyone explain the blue ones?
They are the top "wishbone" although they're set up as separate links. Presumably done for airflow reasons.
Geometrically, will lower the front under braking. Trying to maximize front downforce while entering a corner?
But how can they rotate? I mean, they should be paralell to ground to rotate in that plane, right?

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How do they generate any meaningful outwash though? They don't have aggressively outward-cambered sidepods like Aston and Mercedes, their outer venturi tunnel strakes are large and have vortex-shedding steps, but they stretch almost straight forward in the legality box, unlike Mclaren's and Mercedes'... It seems to my eyeball-CFD that they are just taking all the losses on the chin while trying to compensate with sheer volume and vorticity at the right places... I'm not saying it can't be the right compromise overall, just an observation...
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lio007 wrote:
23 Feb 2022, 12:35
ojir19 wrote:
23 Feb 2022, 12:16
matt_s wrote:
23 Feb 2022, 12:12
AOA on that beam wing reminds me of the Mclaren suspension blockers from 2014.
this one?
https://i.imgur.com/XlMjr9e.jpg
Offtopic: For me this years Mercedes beam wing look more like McLaren suspension blockers
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FMRhfsSXMAY ... =4096x4096
Yeah the Mercedes is the one who looks most like the McLaren
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Will there be any damage?
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BassVirolla wrote:
23 Feb 2022, 12:29
Just_a_fan wrote:
23 Feb 2022, 12:22
Varusi_12 wrote:
23 Feb 2022, 12:19
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202202 ... 7e439f.jpg

Red: Lower suspension arms
Green: Steering arm
Yellow: Pull rod
Blue: Strange upper suspension arms??

Can anyone explain the blue ones?
They are the top "wishbone" although they're set up as separate links. Presumably done for airflow reasons.
Geometrically, will lower the front under braking. Trying to maximize front downforce while entering a corner?
Actually I was wondering if it was not the opposite of that, more of an anti dive setup to help keep the platform flat and consistent under braking. This would mean a more consistent downforce through the transition of going onto the brakes and then lifting off into/through the entry of a corner. Perhaps one of our more suspension specialists, like Tim, could help?

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Varusi_12 wrote:
23 Feb 2022, 12:36
BassVirolla wrote:
23 Feb 2022, 12:29
Just_a_fan wrote:
23 Feb 2022, 12:22

They are the top "wishbone" although they're set up as separate links. Presumably done for airflow reasons.
Geometrically, will lower the front under braking. Trying to maximize front downforce while entering a corner?
But how can they rotate? I mean, they should be paralell to ground to rotate in that plane, right?
They should if you don't want to change the angle of the upright (vertical element between the top and bottom wish-bones). With the current layout, the pont of intersection between the top wishbones and upright will also shift forward (and backward) when the suspension is loaded and unloaded.This will cause the upright to tilt forward and backward.

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gary71 wrote:
23 Feb 2022, 12:41
BassVirolla wrote:
23 Feb 2022, 12:29
Just_a_fan wrote:
23 Feb 2022, 12:22

They are the top "wishbone" although they're set up as separate links. Presumably done for airflow reasons.
Geometrically, will lower the front under braking. Trying to maximize front downforce while entering a corner?
Actually I was wondering if it was not the opposite of that, more of an anti dive setup to help keep the platform flat and consistent under braking. This would mean a more consistent downforce through the transition of going onto the brakes and then lifting off into/through the entry of a corner. Perhaps one of our more suspension specialists, like Tim, could help?
I think this config adds the longitudinal degree of freedom. Under load, the wheel moves slightly back. I dont know how can this affect to the handeling of the car...

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wogx wrote:
23 Feb 2022, 12:41
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Will there be any damage?
They'll lose some track time whilst checking it over. That might be the limit of "damage".
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