2022 - McLaren Formula 1 Team

[bauc]

Never, I still have faith, I'm just disappointed that we cant dictate the development path anymore, its what I miss the most about the Mclaren of old. This car has potential, like I've mentioned above, I don't think we are the 2nd slowest team on the grid, give it more time and the pace will come, but I expected a race winning pace this season, thus my disappointment for the lack of at the moment.

Oof man. My expectations were for them to still be the 4th fastest team and I am still bitter. With those sort of expectations you were really setting yourself up for disappointment.

Like I said in my original post, I did not expect a championship winning car, but a car that will give us 3 or 4 victories and put us in a P3 fight... the team has shown a upward trajectory in the past seasons and I expected that to continue this season as well.

Agian I have faith that the team will pull its act this season, but the question is will they dictate their own luck, or will they have to resort to implementing other's teams concepts.

[McL-H]

Never, I still have faith, I'm just disappointed that we cant dictate the development path anymore, its what I miss the most about the Mclaren of old. This car has potential, like I've mentioned above, I don't think we are the 2nd slowest team on the grid, give it more time and the pace will come, but I expected a race winning pace this season, thus my disappointment for the lack of at the moment.

Oof man. My expectations were for them to still be the 4th fastest team and I am still bitter. With those sort of expectations you were really setting yourself up for disappointment.

Like I said in my original post, I did not expect a championship winning car, but a car that will give us 3 or 4 victories and put us in a P3 fight... the team has shown a upward trajectory in the past seasons and I expected that to continue this season as well.

Agian I have faith that the team will pull its act this season, but the question is will they dictate their own luck, or will they have to resort to implementing other's teams concepts.

I agree with you 100 per cent. I feel the same way. Let’s hope it’s not a fundamental issue and the team can resolve this in a few races time. They lacked a lot of running so far, lost a lot of time to learn about the car and setup, and are running a temporary compromising fix to the brakes. I still think we can finish 4th this season. Albeit I expected a lot more and I hate to play chase again.. Very disappointing.

[1m0bius1]

Dan should treat this race as a test run. Try different set ups etc.

[djos]

How is it possible that Ricciardo is struggling but Hulkenberg and Magnussen who were out of the sport for a year are immediately right on the pace.

Daniel lost a lot of time due to the water leak.

[djos]

Glory hunting plastic fans everywhere, what a state this thread is in. Please do stop watching, It'll stop my eyes bleeding from reading this tripe.

Clearly disappointed, team is on the back foot and will take some time to get up to speed. Car is looking better on race pace, so let's see tomorrow where we lie on that front.

Agreed! The fair weather fans are showing their true colours! Seriously, one qualifying session does not spell doom for the whole season!

[djos]

Is the brake issue making the car lose 1.7 seconds alone?

No. Both Ricciardo and Key have said the car lacks grip. That's most of the time lost in slow corners.

It doesn’t help that Pirelli brought harder tires than they should have for this weekend.

[Mclarensenna]

How is it possible that Ricciardo is struggling but Hulkenberg and Magnussen who were out of the sport for a year are immediately right on the pace.

Daniel lost a lot of time due to the water leak.

Also Hulk and Magnussen had the luxury of going up against Stroll and Schumacher who i believe both should not be in F1 but only there due to money and name. They are definately in my bottom 4 drivers along with Latifi and Zhou. Put Magnussen/Hulk up against a Norris, Max or Hamilton and they would would have been well off the qualifying pace. Not taking anything away from Hulk/Mag as they did an amazing job but we are comparing apples to oranges here with these comparisons.

[djos]

Good point!

[Mclarensenna]

I know this topic has been done to death but Mclaren is fighting with 1 hand behind their back for years now. They do not have the latest wind tunnel which means they are missing refined data and it is not even in the same country. They need to fly parts back and forward. They also running a primitive racing simulator. The infrastructure deficits to the top teams are huge which Seidl has repeatedly mentioned. He clearly stated not to expect to fight for championships until 2024.

We all here were hoping for a hail mary but these deficits are massive. Lets hope they can turn this around sooner but realistically Mclaren will not be firing on all cylinders until they have "EQUAL" infrastructure to the top teams.

[1m0bius1]

I know this topic has been done to death but Mclaren is fighting with 1 hand behind their back for years now. They do not have the latest wind tunnel which means they are missing refined data and it is not even in the same country. They need to fly parts back and forward. They also running a primitive racing simulator. The infrastructure deficits to the top teams are huge which Seidl has repeatedly mentioned. He clearly stated not to expect to fight for championships until 2024.

We all here were hoping for a hail mary but these deficits are massive. Lets hope they can turn this around sooner but realistically Mclaren will not be firing on all cylinders until they have "EQUAL" infrastructure to the top teams.

Firstly the cologne wind tunnel is still a very very good tunnel. May not be top drawer anymore but it's still a fine wind tunnel. Second the simulator is not outdated, it still does what it needs.

The car was too conservative and the design direction has failed. That is not the wind tunnel or simulators fault.

[Slahinki]

Been stalking this forum since 2018 now, but my god the amount of doom and gloom and drama in this thread from supposed fans is absolutely absurd. It's not even been one race yet and some of you are already saying it's a throwaway year and that you'll stop supporting McLaren. What the hell. Take a step back and get a grip.

I come here for the technical things that you don't really get anywhere else and having to sift through this bloated mess of a drama thread to find actually insightful comments is so tiring. Take that --- to Twitter or Reddit where all the other hair-trigger hyper-partisan people are.

[billamend]

The car was too conservative and the design direction has failed. That is not the wind tunnel or simulators fault.

How do you know that? Is that speculation or is it backed by any info?

[Mclarensenna]

I know this topic has been done to death but Mclaren is fighting with 1 hand behind their back for years now. They do not have the latest wind tunnel which means they are missing refined data and it is not even in the same country. They need to fly parts back and forward. They also running a primitive racing simulator. The infrastructure deficits to the top teams are huge which Seidl has repeatedly mentioned. He clearly stated not to expect to fight for championships until 2024.

We all here were hoping for a hail mary but these deficits are massive. Lets hope they can turn this around sooner but realistically Mclaren will not be firing on all cylinders until they have "EQUAL" infrastructure to the top teams.

Firstly the cologne wind tunnel is still a very very good tunnel. May not be top drawer anymore but it's still a fine wind tunnel. Second the simulator is not outdated, it still does what it needs.

The car was too conservative and the design direction has failed. That is not the wind tunnel or simulators fault.

Where is the source of your information exactly?

https://www.speedcafe.com/2021/09/29/mc ... nd-tunnel/
"However, it’s now in need of an upgrade as technology has evolved beyond what its current system can do."
"“There’s data we simply cannot get at the moment with the facility we’re in."
"we’re definitely missing some more refined data and knowledge and information that we would get otherwise.
“So [we’re] super impatient to get that bit of information and help us take the next step.”

<------- Seidl is very clear in his words. They are missing refined data, Knowledge and information from these outdated wind tunnel facilities. That's a major handicap from the wind tunnel.

Seidl clearly states the old simulator cannot do what new simulators can do. The words are very clear. Not doing something as well is 1 thing. But not being able to do certain things at all that new systems can is a major major issue.

Seidl has repeatedly made these statements in countless interviews.
Trying to blame the car being conservative maybe also plays a role, sure, it could be a combination of factors.
But the outdated wind tunnel and simulator is playing a massive role in the cars poor performance relative to the top teams that do have the latest facilities.

Also Maybe that is a reason why the top teams all came with aggresive designs as they can fine tune using all the extra refined data, knowledge and information to make aggresive designs work something Mclaren just cannot generate or do at this stage.
That could also be the reason or part of the reason the car was conservative exacerbating the problems

[Mclarenfanboy]

As a die hard McLaren fan from 1996, people, it is over, my guess for 2022 is, the automotive part of the company will go bankrupt in this year or next, and F1 team will be sold to Audi or some other VW brand, F1 teams are getting to be a too much lucrative business to go bust. But McLaren, like winning brand, or some F1, Indy , WEC, Formula E combine racing power house like a red team, that is gone. And it will never come back, you can have marketing guru smoke and mirrors, all you want, and it is not his fault , he is a great salesman, but a stopwatch never lies.

[JPower]

Seidl clearly states the old simulator cannot do what new simulators can do. The words are very clear. Not doing something as well is 1 thing. But not being able to do certain things at all that new systems can is a major major issue.

Seidl has repeatedly made these statements in countless interviews.
Trying to blame the car being conservative maybe also plays a role, sure, it could be a combination of factors.
But the outdated wind tunnel and simulator is playing a massive role in the cars poor performance relative to the top teams that do have the latest facilities.

Also Maybe that is a reason why the top teams all came with aggressive designs as they can fine tune using all the extra refined data, knowledge and information to make aggressive designs work something Mclaren just cannot generate or do at this stage.
That could also be the reason or part of the reason the car was conservative exacerbating the problems

Pretty accurate. I tried explaining all of this a few weeks ago and everyone got angry at me.

It's going to be a process for sure. I think Zak's timeline was a good guideline. He said it for a reason. I also think its why he and Siedl were angry at the B-Teams ie Haas and AlphaTauri, spending relatively small amounts of money with outsized returns due to their A-Team alliances. Its not very "fair", to a team like McLaren or Alpine.