Hard to say, maybe not. I'm intrigued, so I'll try and model the new design and do some more CFD to see what's what.shamyakovic wrote: ↑20 Mar 2022, 10:52Won't it still have lesser drag than a conventional sidepods?
Hard to say, maybe not. I'm intrigued, so I'll try and model the new design and do some more CFD to see what's what.shamyakovic wrote: ↑20 Mar 2022, 10:52Won't it still have lesser drag than a conventional sidepods?
do you recall the Lambo 291? it was presented with very low and small sidepods, then quickly modified to more squared conventional sidepods due to a lot of aero and drag problems.Vanja #66 wrote: ↑20 Mar 2022, 11:27Hard to say, maybe not. I'm intrigued, so I'll try and model the new design and do some more CFD to see what's what.shamyakovic wrote: ↑20 Mar 2022, 10:52Won't it still have lesser drag than a conventional sidepods?
I've seen 291 photos, but I didn't know about the change in design. Thanks
Mercedes has been great, I'd say leading edge in slow corners since 2019... Last year's car with the cut brake ducts and floor was very much "on it's nose" compared to the Red Bull, but it was still the class of the field in slow corners with decently large radiuses (hairpins).AeroDynamic wrote: ↑20 Mar 2022, 12:57It's weird that the Mercedes is now fast in slower corners (as is the Ferrari) where Red Bull used to be.
I really would love to see the potential of this package (car and driver) with on par PU and no bouncing. A car that has no bogie traits around any type of corner/straight?
Ok, can you break down which corners the Red Bull was worse and better in than the Mercedes in past years? thanks.HungarianRacer wrote: ↑20 Mar 2022, 14:18Mercedes has been great, I'd say leading-edge in slow corners since 2019... Last year's car with the cut brake ducts and floor was very much "on it's nose" compared to the Red Bull, but it was still the class of the field in slow corners with decently large radiuses (hairpins).AeroDynamic wrote: ↑20 Mar 2022, 12:57It's weird that the Mercedes is now fast in slower corners (as is the Ferrari) where Red Bull used to be.
I really would love to see the potential of this package (car and driver) with on par PU and no bouncing. A car that has no bogie traits around any type of corner/straight?
This Mercedes W13 is, as of right now so full of compromises that it's really impossible to make any reasonable guesses about the car concept's inherit strenghts and weaknesses.
I mean, as for 2021, there was a fair amount of nuance to it (certainly more than what the official site's tech articles and mainstream portals would have you believe), but generally speaking, the Mercedes had an advantage in front-limited turns and around tracks that disproportionately stressed the front axle, opposite was true for Red Bull, evidently.AeroDynamic wrote: ↑20 Mar 2022, 14:20Ok, can you break down which corners the Red Bull was worse and better in than the Mercedes in past years? thanks.HungarianRacer wrote: ↑20 Mar 2022, 14:18Mercedes has been great, I'd say leading-edge in slow corners since 2019... Last year's car with the cut brake ducts and floor was very much "on it's nose" compared to the Red Bull, but it was still the class of the field in slow corners with decently large radiuses (hairpins).AeroDynamic wrote: ↑20 Mar 2022, 12:57It's weird that the Mercedes is now fast in slower corners (as is the Ferrari) where Red Bull used to be.
I really would love to see the potential of this package (car and driver) with on par PU and no bouncing. A car that has no bogie traits around any type of corner/straight?
This Mercedes W13 is, as of right now so full of compromises that it's really impossible to make any reasonable guesses about the car concept's inherit strenghts and weaknesses.
Sorry, but what they've tried here in order to explain drag on rear tyres is just stupid.
I agree, but you can easily compare Bull and Ferrari to the Merc. Both Bull and Ferrari have structures to direct flow outwards.For the Bull I think the last upgrade with the groove on the sidepod also directly aims the rear wheel.LM10 wrote: ↑20 Mar 2022, 15:26Sorry, but what they've tried here in order to explain drag on rear tyres is just stupid.
We know from Vanja's CFD analysis that the Ferrari has less drag on rear tyres, but this extremely simplistic graph does not show anything. It does not even make sense if you compare the Ferrari and the RBR. The blue part on the Ferrari is bigger which would suggest more drag on rear tyre than the RBR, but a closer look shows that the reason the blue part is bigger is the inboard shaping of the cover around the gearbox, so a more coke-bottle-like design. But that part is making up the space between the tyre and suspension arms. So it does not mean extra flow to the rear tyre.
Same goes for Mercedes for that part. It has a coke-bottle area there so naturally the blue part will be bigger.
Must have watched a different race… the only way Verstappen got to pass Leclerc was by lunging in the corner compromising T1 exit.ringo wrote:The Mercedes does not have more drag than the ferrari.
They decided to put more drag on the car than they expected to compensate for their issues.
Drag has a direct relationship with frontal area and pressure differential. As we see from the race, the redbull has better speed from the Ferrari, which I figured would be the case. Drag has three classifications of course, but at these speeds the frontal area is more critical.
The crash structure wing on mercedes does not have more drag than usual. It simply doesn't.
The ferrari powered cars clearly have an edge now, as we see Alpha and Haas doing very well, but still the F175 could not catch redbull with the "weaker" engine.
I am encouraged by the improvements of the W13, despite it being 1 second per lap off the pace. The podium at least proves its reliability.