2022 - McLaren Formula 1 Team

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_cerber1 wrote:
20 Mar 2022, 21:13
CjC wrote:
20 Mar 2022, 21:02
_cerber1 wrote:
20 Mar 2022, 20:39
Lando's interview, painful to read. Everything is bad...
Any chance of a link please because I can’t find anything online other than the video posted on here.
The British pilot was quite honest: according to him, it was not at all the brakes, which the MCL36 had experienced difficulties with since the beginning of the tests in Bahrain.

“It's a sin to complain about the engines, because Mercedes finished the race in 3rd and 4th places,” Norris said after the race. “But it certainly doesn’t help—I think we definitely don’t have enough power compared to the rest of the guys. Reliability is good, and this is a positive thing. We are far behind in “pressure”, and therefore handling also suffers.

It's not an easy car and these tires are hard to get to optimal condition - and when you don't have downforce, you can't make the rubber work well. There is understeer or oversteer: there is always too much change, and this is our main problem - I think it is necessary that there be less of these changes. Need more downforce front and rear, it's all about downforce. Sounds simple, but it's obviously very hard to figure it out.

I still believe that some tracks will be more suitable for us and that it will not be worse, but who knows. There is still a lot of time - there is a whole season ahead, during which we will develop, update the car and deal with what is happening. And all this is not easy.

I expect it to hurt, and I think everyone needs to understand that it will most likely hurt a little. Yes, both me and McLaren are expecting more, but for now, at the moment, we don’t have it, so we need to get used to it. ”
So what it seems lando is trying to say is : the car is complete waste of time , it has no downforce , is unstable and has a PU with no power
Wouldn’t be surprised if both drivers are taking a very close look at the performance clause in their contracts this week.
Nice job McLaren
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Xero wrote:
20 Mar 2022, 20:42
Lando and Daniel were both told to cool the PU on a few occasions, so definitely not running at full beans. There were rumours around the paddock this weekend that the new E10 fuel was causing more heat than anticipated. The 3 RB failures seem to back that up too. Ferrari appear to have nailed it on the efficiency front, as well as drivability on top of their power increase. Kudos.

Edit: It appears Red Bulls issues were related to the fuel pump, which is a shared spec part that all teams were worried about coming into the weekend. The housing for the electronics was cracking and letting fuel in. Not sure if the higher oxygen count in the extra ethanol had a part to play.
100% sure it is related. Something similar happens with plastic motorbike fuel tanks in countries such as the UK where pump fuel has a higher ethanol content.
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Could it be that McLaren wasn't porpoising as much as the others because they weren't generating as much downforce as the others? What we took as a positive sign perhaps might have been a clue of things to come. But who would have guessed that after how well it was seemingly going after Barcelona.

On another note, it's very annoying that Helmut was proven right ... I dislike the way that guy speaks, I was hoping McLaren could maybe make him take his words back in a way but alas, seems McLaren will be suffering for a good chunk of this season at least.

billamend
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List of known problems:
  • Break ducts
  • Setup (because of the break ducts)
  • Engine Cooling
  • Lack of power

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_cerber1 wrote:
20 Mar 2022, 21:13
CjC wrote:
20 Mar 2022, 21:02
_cerber1 wrote:
20 Mar 2022, 20:39
Lando's interview, painful to read. Everything is bad...
Any chance of a link please because I can’t find anything online other than the video posted on here.
The British pilot was quite honest: according to him, it was not at all the brakes, which the MCL36 had experienced difficulties with since the beginning of the tests in Bahrain.

“It's a sin to complain about the engines, because Mercedes finished the race in 3rd and 4th places,” Norris said after the race. “But it certainly doesn’t help—I think we definitely don’t have enough power compared to the rest of the guys. Reliability is good, and this is a positive thing. We are far behind in “pressure”, and therefore handling also suffers.

It's not an easy car and these tires are hard to get to optimal condition - and when you don't have downforce, you can't make the rubber work well. There is understeer or oversteer: there is always too much change, and this is our main problem - I think it is necessary that there be less of these changes. Need more downforce front and rear, it's all about downforce. Sounds simple, but it's obviously very hard to figure it out.

I still believe that some tracks will be more suitable for us and that it will not be worse, but who knows. There is still a lot of time - there is a whole season ahead, during which we will develop, update the car and deal with what is happening. And all this is not easy.

I expect it to hurt, and I think everyone needs to understand that it will most likely hurt a little. Yes, both me and McLaren are expecting more, but for now, at the moment, we don’t have it, so we need to get used to it. ”
Thanks.
Oh dear. It is bad then.
Mclaren are missing the 2 fundamentals for a race car... horse power and grip🤦🏼‍♂️🤦🏼‍♂️
Why did James Key say yesterday that the car is balanced yet Lando is complaining of understeer and oversteer??
Just a fan's point of view

101FlyingDutchman
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Add lack of total downforce to that

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Emag wrote:
20 Mar 2022, 21:47
Could it be that McLaren wasn't porpoising as much as the others because they weren't generating as much downforce as the others? What we took as a positive sign perhaps might have been a clue of things to come. But who would have guessed that after how well it was seemingly going after Barcelona.

On another note, it's very annoying that Helmut was proven right ... I dislike the way that guy speaks, I was hoping McLaren could maybe make him take his words back in a way but alas, seems McLaren will be suffering for a good chunk of this season at least.
My thought as well- no porpoising because the car wasn’t generating enough peak downforce... a bit like the Mclaren Honda being fast in the high speed because the top end power isn’t there... could also be why Mclaren where ‘strong’ in the high speed nature of Barcelona at the first pre-season test.

PS Dont worry about Marko- he currently has 3 out of 4 DNFs to explain😂
Just a fan's point of view

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For some reason this feels way worse than when we got through 2015.

In Austrlia they were so far behind, we kind of took it for granted that there was a lot more to come.

Plus Ron was constantly telling in the interviews that podiums were a goal, at least by the end of the season. So that hope kind of kept us going I guess.

Clearly everything coming out of the team so far shows that they are extremely disappointed as well. I am certain they will be working hard to fix it. I just hope the morale doesn't impact their job too much, and obviously I hope there are fixes that can be found within the season.

With this being the longest F1 season ever, it would be very hard to get through it if McLaren remains on similar levels.

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CjC wrote:
20 Mar 2022, 21:55
_cerber1 wrote:
20 Mar 2022, 21:13
CjC wrote:
20 Mar 2022, 21:02


Any chance of a link please because I can’t find anything online other than the video posted on here.
The British pilot was quite honest: according to him, it was not at all the brakes, which the MCL36 had experienced difficulties with since the beginning of the tests in Bahrain.

“It's a sin to complain about the engines, because Mercedes finished the race in 3rd and 4th places,” Norris said after the race. “But it certainly doesn’t help—I think we definitely don’t have enough power compared to the rest of the guys. Reliability is good, and this is a positive thing. We are far behind in “pressure”, and therefore handling also suffers.

It's not an easy car and these tires are hard to get to optimal condition - and when you don't have downforce, you can't make the rubber work well. There is understeer or oversteer: there is always too much change, and this is our main problem - I think it is necessary that there be less of these changes. Need more downforce front and rear, it's all about downforce. Sounds simple, but it's obviously very hard to figure it out.

I still believe that some tracks will be more suitable for us and that it will not be worse, but who knows. There is still a lot of time - there is a whole season ahead, during which we will develop, update the car and deal with what is happening. And all this is not easy.

I expect it to hurt, and I think everyone needs to understand that it will most likely hurt a little. Yes, both me and McLaren are expecting more, but for now, at the moment, we don’t have it, so we need to get used to it. ”
Thanks.
Oh dear. It is bad then.
Mclaren are missing the 2 fundamentals for a race car... horse power and grip🤦🏼‍♂️🤦🏼‍♂️
Why did James Key say yesterday that the car is balanced yet Lando is complaining of understeer and oversteer??
Well, because a father can never speak ill of a son

Mansell89
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So a couple of things:

Power Unit: What is it that has caused the Merc PU to fall to the back of the grid? Okay, so it’s not massively down on the others but the engine architecture that produced great PU performance just a couple of races ago in Brazil is now not at least equal with the competition? Is this simply that the E10 fuel has hindered performance? Do we as customers get the same fuels as the works team?

Parameters: Seidl has talked about some parameters that had to be managed today- has anyone been more specific on what issues are limiting performance?

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Let's say we fix whatever issues are limiting performance. Is that gonna put us at the level of Mercedes at least?

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Bad weekend for us but a important milestone was achieved (race distance) ....

From this point of view and the current pace of the car we can only move forward, so cheers to the jurney!!!
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The feeling from the team is that they have given up….no fighting spirit…at least give the fans something to belive. Lando and Danny looks completly empty in the eyes…

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CjC wrote:
20 Mar 2022, 20:58
Marc.W wrote:
20 Mar 2022, 20:25
They still have a delta to follow
Yea which is the same rule as before, don’t they let them re-join the queue or has that never been the case? I’m so confused after the Abu Dhabi fiasco...
In Abu Dhabi they did not let everyone unlap themselves. They unlapped only the people between Verstappen and Hamilton.

Waiting for the pack to reform is always going to be a challenge. It can take couple of laps to do that so they tend to skip this if there is few laps remaining.

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Tough race. Struggled for pace more than I expected. I bet the "alternate" strategy did not help in the end. We were double stopping as everyone else but had a massively compromised first stint due to medium tires.

Another race in a weeks time. Hopefully the majority of the deficit is due to lack of a good setup in Bahrain and we bounce back in Saudi Arabia.