dialtone wrote: ↑21 Mar 2022, 02:04
zibby43 wrote: ↑21 Mar 2022, 01:50
dialtone wrote: ↑21 Mar 2022, 01:40
* Other cars are not dialed in, they all have higher ride height and stiffer suspension than they would like to avoid porpoising and are all working on new floors to go back to low ride with less compromises.
It’s all relative though, and it’s quite clear to everyone that the ride height changes Merc have needed to make are more drastic than anything RB and Ferrari have done.
The W13 is quite literally frozen in development until the baseline proposing is solved.
I know you’re determined to somehow prove that Merc can’t fix their issues, but the evidence presented thus far isn’t compelling.
On the contrary I'm convinced they'll fix their issues, they won 8 WCC in a row and dominated an era, and there's no way they can be counted out even in this state. If they stay like this for a month I'll be a very happy Ferrari fan.
However I do find the narrative here funny. First was Merc was going to blow everyone away with the A car, it's Merc. Then they'll blow everyone away with the B car and it's ominous™, 1.5s faster in wind tunnel. Then they are just sandbagging their testing issues but will bring a floor and will fix this simple issue before the race. Other teams saying they tried that concept and chose not to go deeper on it wasn't true or they didn't develop enough, then they'll fix the issue overnight anyway before quali. Then in quali they're not actually 0.5/7 behind but only 0.3 if you cherry pick stuff. Then they aren't really 1s off pace in race, they just need to lower the car a bit and they'll gain 20 seconds a lap...
It kinda lacks for respect for other teams too, as if no other team can build a decent car and Merc can do nothing bad, and even when it seems bad, they're just sandbagging or part of some grander plan. Merc themselves are humbler than this.
In my opinion what is going on is: they don't know what the issue is exactly and don't know when W13 will be fixed yet, they will 100% solve this issue very very soon and the pace after that is absolutely unknown right now. It's also unlikely that all customer teams built mini-vans for the season while in 2014 any Merc powered car was lapping everyone around even on 3 wheels.
Here's another reality: if Ferrari was the team 0.5 behind in quali and 1s behind in race it would be Next Year™
So, because other fans have said things that have irked you, you’re choosing to be petty?
lol. Well, it was pretty transparent before, but that clears it up. I also saw virtually no Merc fans claiming sandbagging. It was fans, drivers, and team personnel of other teams claiming Merc were playing up their troubles lol.
Literally the opposite of what you were claiming.
And I can’t speak for anyone but myself, but I’ve been very complimentary of Ferrari since their car reveal.
Also, talking about respect. If I had a penny, not even a nickel, for every time I had to read fans of other teams accusing Mercedes of “cheating” when achieving their success throughout the hybrid era, I’d be retired already. It’s multiple claims of cheating per season.
Just last year, it was: FW flap, rear suspension, engine, engine usage, etc. And they weren’t even dominant lol.
Only team we know of that got caught pushing the rules too far recently was Ferrari lol. But, they paid for it, so I’m willing to acknowledge their clawing their way back from being a midfield team.
So, please spare me the entire magnanimous fanbase thing lol. Most of the posters on here are concerned about the technical aspects of the car, so I don’t concern myself with the other BS.