2022 Oracle | Red Bull Racing F1 Team

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silver wrote:
21 Mar 2022, 14:44
Juzh wrote:
21 Mar 2022, 13:26
So I went trough verstappen's onboard and team radio. One thing they need to sort out is brakes. Verstappen was told to lift and coast after 6 corners I kid you not. And after than probably 3 times per lap, every lap. At one point Verstappen says he's barely braking at all with so much lift off and it's impossible to race like that.
Brake problems seem to subsided once car was lighter, leclerc drove off and verstappen settled into his own rhythm, not trying to attack anymore. Yeah, can't really race like that a whole lot.
What is strange is that preseason is meant to find out these problems. But they didn't and at first opportunity in real time, the components fail to meet the expectations. What is the point of collecting millions of miles of data if they don't push the components to find the reliability. There have been instances in the past in testing, where teams used to drive until the car runs out of fuel which was a good way to iron out these exact sort of issues.
We have to consider a possibility it was a conscious decision to aid outright performance, a bit like mercedes used to do in the past when we constantly heard them go on about brakes when in traffic. Still, I think they overshot it by a mile. You can't just expect cruising in free air will come to you easily.

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Does anyone know where exactly the fuel pump sits? Fuel tank I thought was in front of the engine so this is likely completely unrelated, but....from testing below. Was the cause ever identified?

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cooken wrote:
21 Mar 2022, 15:46
Does anyone know where exactly the fuel pump sits? Fuel tank I thought was in front of the engine so this is likely completely unrelated, but....from testing below. Was the cause ever identified?
It has to be in the tank at the lowest point, if is the priming pump


Edit,, or immediately before the outlet pipe outside
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With the pumps not being the issue now it seems will be interesting to see the cause and if they cooked an engine will find out in a few days I guess.

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Watto wrote:
21 Mar 2022, 17:56
With the pumps not being the issue now it seems will be interesting to see the cause and if they cooked an engine will find out in a few days I guess.
Nothing has been confirmed really. If lack of fuel delivery was what RB saw in the data, a leak anywhere in the system could cause it I guess either from loss of pressure or premature depletion.

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cooken wrote:
21 Mar 2022, 18:09
Watto wrote:
21 Mar 2022, 17:56
With the pumps not being the issue now it seems will be interesting to see the cause and if they cooked an engine will find out in a few days I guess.
Nothing has been confirmed really. If lack of fuel delivery was what RB saw in the data, a leak anywhere in the system could cause it I guess either from loss of pressure or premature depletion.
Certainly looked like a leak on Gaslys car with that fire.
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Juzh wrote:
21 Mar 2022, 13:40
I don't agree. One push lap wouldn't make a difference in the end with Sainz being so far back. Either you try and go for first place, or you're second in any case. As it turned out they didn't even try it. Very un-redbull like.
I doubt it would have made much difference, Verstappen would have wrecked his tyres and Leclerc would have come back at him. It's pretty clear Red Bull were managing several different issues on Max's car throughout the race, the aim was likely to get the car home with a decent haul of points. That's very Redbull, if they can't win they will aim to minimise the points loss.

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taperoo2k wrote:
21 Mar 2022, 18:39
Juzh wrote:
21 Mar 2022, 13:40
I don't agree. One push lap wouldn't make a difference in the end with Sainz being so far back. Either you try and go for first place, or you're second in any case. As it turned out they didn't even try it. Very un-redbull like.
I doubt it would have made much difference, Verstappen would have wrecked his tyres and Leclerc would have come back at him. It's pretty clear Red Bull were managing several different issues on Max's car throughout the race, the aim was likely to get the car home with a decent haul of points. That's very Redbull, if they can't win they will aim to minimise the points loss.
What gets me is Max's outlook pre and post race

He doesn't really sugarcoat anything

There was nothing from him that was a precursor to all the issues that could show up on Sunday

During the race it was like he was blindsided by everything that happened; the lack of pace/tyre deg, the brake issues etc

He was just kinda stunned that the car he thought he had did not materialise

Perez was complaining about the brake issues after FP3 and I know, because Horner said it, that Perez was testing different setups to Max then

I can't imagine RB not telling Max they were going to set up the car a certain way and these things were the issues..

It's like he was in a different world and it all came crashing down

Just very very weird

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Totally different item: Gianpierro Lambiase sounds more British than he ever did before. And he already sounded so British, I even mistaken him for Horner once.

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NL_Fer wrote:
21 Mar 2022, 21:00
Totally different item: Gianpierro Lambiase sounds more British than he ever did before. And he already sounded so British, I even mistaken him for Horner once.
Finally! I never said it out loud, but I always had a bit of voice recognition problem between the two. I think Lambiase is British/Italian right? But I don't where he was raised as a child.

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NL_Fer wrote:
21 Mar 2022, 21:00
Totally different item: Gianpierro Lambiase sounds more British than he ever did before. And he already sounded so British, I even mistaken him for Horner once.
LOL it was only last year i found out it wasnt Horner on the team radio😂. Sounds exactly like Horner, same voice same accent.
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https://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/for ... erstappen/
Red Bull missed its goals in Bahrain. Milton Keynes actually wanted to score big and lose between seven and ten kilograms from the RB18. It should only have been about half that, which hurts twice as much in times of budget caps. Small consolation: The competition is also overweight. One hears that Ferrari should also have a small advantage over Red Bull and Mercedes in this discipline.

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Just a few articles and videos I found on last weekend's issues in case some of you missed them:

https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/the- ... s/9188330/




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silver wrote:
22 Mar 2022, 20:34
Ha, Helmut. He is probably the most un-trustworthy source in the paddock. He will take every opportunity given to him, to take a jab at his opponents, and prop his team up!
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