2022 Saudi Arabian Grand Prix - Jeddah, March 25 - 27

[chrisc90]

Laptime offsets?

[Wouter]

Can't read this graph . Does red side mean Ferrari faster and blue side mean that RBR is faster, maybe the other way around?

Judging by the virtual safety car stuff I would assume that red side is Ferrari slower, but seems strange.

Yes, it is the other way around. Red means Leclerc is slower, blue means Max is slower. Here you can see it.

https://en.mclarenf-1.com/2022/gp/s8978 ... s/821-833/

[dialtone]

Can't read this graph . Does red side mean Ferrari faster and blue side mean that RBR is faster, maybe the other way around?

Judging by the virtual safety car stuff I would assume that red side is Ferrari slower, but seems strange.

Yes, it is the other way around. Red means Leclerc is slower, blue means Max is slower. Here you can see it.

https://en.mclarenf-1.com/2022/gp/s8978 ... s/821-833/

Makes sense, shows that second that Verstappen gained in VSC.

[taperoo2k]

Charles seems much calmer and relaxed in the car compared to Max who should have kept his head down rather than complaining about Charles cutting the pit entry line or seeming to be too quick on near the end "That's not fair".

Looks like you didn't see the last few years. These comments are part of the sport (unfortunately).
Now wars are fought on the track and off the track. Ferrari better get used to it if it wants to fight for the championship.

I've been a fan since the 90's, I know exactly how tough the competition is between drivers fighting for the title. So far Charles seems to have kept his cool to score as many points as he can. He won't have not noticed Max tangling with Lewis last season.

[basti313]

Can't read this graph . Does red side mean Ferrari faster and blue side mean that RBR is faster, maybe the other way around?

Judging by the virtual safety car stuff I would assume that red side is Ferrari slower, but seems strange.

Yes, it is the other way around. Red means Leclerc is slower, blue means Max is slower. Here you can see it.

https://en.mclarenf-1.com/2022/gp/s8978 ... s/821-833/

Makes sense, shows that second that Verstappen gained in VSC.

In or after VSC? By the rule they are equal in VSC to before VSC and I can not see him gaining in VSC. So the difference needs to come from the lap once VSC ends.
Where were they located when it ended? With such a big difference Lec was in a corner and Ves still on straight?

[Big Tea]

Charles seems much calmer and relaxed in the car compared to Max who should have kept his head down rather than complaining about Charles cutting the pit entry line or seeming to be too quick on near the end "That's not fair".

Looks like you didn't see the last few years. These comments are part of the sport (unfortunately).
Now wars are fought on the track and off the track. Ferrari better get used to it if it wants to fight for the championship.

I've been a fan since the 90's, I know exactly how tough the competition is between drivers fighting for the title. So far Charles seems to have kept his cool to score as many points as he can. He won't have not noticed Max tangling with Lewis last season.

I think he will not only have noticed, but studied how both handled them selves on and off the track, and remembered thing he will use to his advantage. He has already used Max aggressive passing to his advantage in the two races this year. It will no doubt make him a more sucesful and better driver.

[dialtone]

Yes, it is the other way around. Red means Leclerc is slower, blue means Max is slower. Here you can see it.

https://en.mclarenf-1.com/2022/gp/s8978 ... s/821-833/

Makes sense, shows that second that Verstappen gained in VSC.

In or after VSC? By the rule they are equal in VSC to before VSC and I can not see him gaining in VSC. So the difference needs to come from the lap once VSC ends.
Where were they located when it ended? With such a big difference Lec was in a corner and Ves still on straight?

In. The rule states they need to drive to a minimum time assessed between each illuminated panels. Not that their distance needs to stay the same. VER was somehow able to pick up almost 1s during VSC.

[saviour stivala]

I saw the question earlier in this thread but never saw the answer. What do the regs say about Leclerc's rear lights being out for the first part of the race? Is this directly addressed in the regs? The F1 feed commentators talked about it and wondered if it might mean a penalty, but then they dropped it and never answered their own question. Had me wondering what the answer really is!

14.3 says that rear lights must be working throughout but it says nothing about what happens if they are not

Were they genuinely not working, or did Max just assume they weren't working properly? Perhaps Charles wasn't harvesting when Max thought he should be.

Rear ERS blinking red light (dry race) does not blink when harvesting. It starts blinking when not deploying (stopped deploying). Harvesting by MGU-K is activated only by the brake pedal and not when lifting of throttle. Number 16 was even harvesting when still on throttle by using both pedals together at some parts of track.

[codetower]

14.3 says that rear lights must be working throughout but it says nothing about what happens if they are not

Were they genuinely not working, or did Max just assume they weren't working properly? Perhaps Charles wasn't harvesting when Max thought he should be.

Rear ERS blinking red light (dry race) does not blink when harvesting. It starts blinking when not deploying (stopped deploying). Harvesting by MGU-K is activated only by the brake pedal and not when lifting of throttle. Number 16 was even harvesting when still on throttle by using both pedals together at some parts of track.

Ahh, thank you for the explanation!

[henry]

Were they genuinely not working, or did Max just assume they weren't working properly? Perhaps Charles wasn't harvesting when Max thought he should be.

Rear ERS blinking red light (dry race) does not blink when harvesting. It starts blinking when not deploying (stopped deploying). Harvesting by MGU-K is activated only by the brake pedal and not when lifting of throttle. Number 16 was even harvesting when still on throttle by using both pedals together at some parts of track.

Ahh, thank you for the explanation!

The assertion that the driver has to use the brake pedal to get MGU-K harvesting is not correct. The decision on harvesting when the driver is making any power demand is made by the ECU. If this were not the case then to get Honda’s extra harvest to work the driver would need to tap the brake pedal at between 20 and 40 Hz.

[saviour stivala]

MGU-K Harvests/harness waste kinetic energy from rear brakes that would otherwise go to waste. If the brakes are not activated there cannot be any waste kinetic energy recovered from rear brakes. Simply put. the brake pedal is the 'switch' that acrivates MGU-K harvesting.

[NL_Fer]

Officially blinking is a warning for the following driver, that the ECU has reduced the power output with 120kw.

Practically this means the MGU-K has stopped deployment and the energy harvested by the MGU-H is used for charging the battery.

What u will usually see during a battle, is a driver uses a mayor chunk of deployment during overtaking attempts and his car is blinking on the little straights between, because the battery is almost empty.

[Juzh]

Makes sense, shows that second that Verstappen gained in VSC.

In or after VSC? By the rule they are equal in VSC to before VSC and I can not see him gaining in VSC. So the difference needs to come from the lap once VSC ends.
Where were they located when it ended? With such a big difference Lec was in a corner and Ves still on straight?

In. The rule states they need to drive to a minimum time assessed between each illuminated panels. Not that their distance needs to stay the same. VER was somehow able to pick up almost 1s during VSC.

To clarify:
Verstappen was 1.6s behind moments before VSC was declared, and he was 1.4s behind moments after VSC was "pulled in". This is almost nothing, you just can't expect a driver to be millisecond perfect on the restart (leclerc gifted him 2 tenths by being slightly too careful basically). So he didn't gain 1 second during VSC period as people make it out.
The thing that confused people was a sudden gap of only 0.8s almost immediately thereafter. What probably happened was leclerc misjudged VSC ending delta time, so he had to jump on the brakes to not go too fast (certain penalty), meanwhile verstappen behind did the opposite and came at him almost with full throttle, pre-empting VSC ending in a better way.

On a different topic, how come this wasn't a penalty for magnussen? straight up crossing white line and then entering pitlane, yet nothing came of it. Remember how Tsunoda got hit with double penalty for crossing the line in austria 2021? This new race direction seems very inept.

[dialtone]

In or after VSC? By the rule they are equal in VSC to before VSC and I can not see him gaining in VSC. So the difference needs to come from the lap once VSC ends.
Where were they located when it ended? With such a big difference Lec was in a corner and Ves still on straight?

In. The rule states they need to drive to a minimum time assessed between each illuminated panels. Not that their distance needs to stay the same. VER was somehow able to pick up almost 1s during VSC.

To clarify:
Verstappen was 1.6s behind moments before VSC was declared, and he was 1.4s behind moments after VSC was "pulled in". This is almost nothing, you just can't expect a driver to be millisecond perfect on the restart (leclerc gifted him 2 tenths by being slightly too careful basically). So he didn't gain 1 second during VSC period as people make it out.
The thing that confused people was a sudden gap of only 0.8s almost immediately thereafter. What probably happened was leclerc misjudged VSC ending delta time, so he had to jump on the brakes to not go too fast (certain penalty), meanwhile verstappen behind did the opposite and came at him almost with full throttle, pre-empting VSC ending in a better way.

That's quite literally gaining 1s during VSC, and the lap times also check out. Not sure the difference between your "1.4s moments after VSC was pulled in" and "sudden gap of only 0.8 almost immediately thereafter". Anyway...

On a different topic, how come this wasn't a penalty for magnussen? straight up crossing white line and then entering pitlane, yet nothing came of it. Remember how Tsunoda got hit with double penalty for crossing the line in austria 2021? This new race direction seems very inept.

The rule states:

d) Except in cases of force majeure (accepted as such by the Stewards), the crossing, in any direction, of the line separating the pit entry and the track by a car entering the pit lane is prohibited.

Considering that Ricciardo's car was right in front of the pit entry line, Stewards decided that it was force majeure and decided not to award any penalty.

[Dee]

In. The rule states they need to drive to a minimum time assessed between each illuminated panels. Not that their distance needs to stay the same. VER was somehow able to pick up almost 1s during VSC.

To clarify:
Verstappen was 1.6s behind moments before VSC was declared, and he was 1.4s behind moments after VSC was "pulled in". This is almost nothing, you just can't expect a driver to be millisecond perfect on the restart (leclerc gifted him 2 tenths by being slightly too careful basically). So he didn't gain 1 second during VSC period as people make it out.
The thing that confused people was a sudden gap of only 0.8s almost immediately thereafter. What probably happened was leclerc misjudged VSC ending delta time, so he had to jump on the brakes to not go too fast (certain penalty), meanwhile verstappen behind did the opposite and came at him almost with full throttle, pre-empting VSC ending in a better way.

That's quite literally gaining 1s during VSC, and the lap times also check out. Not sure the difference between your "1.4s moments after VSC was pulled in" and "sudden gap of only 0.8 almost immediately thereafter". Anyway...

On a different topic, how come this wasn't a penalty for magnussen? straight up crossing white line and then entering pitlane, yet nothing came of it. Remember how Tsunoda got hit with double penalty for crossing the line in austria 2021? This new race direction seems very inept.

The rule states:

d) Except in cases of force majeure (accepted as such by the Stewards), the crossing, in any direction, of the line separating the pit entry and the track by a car entering the pit lane is prohibited.

Considering that Ricciardo's car was right in front of the pit entry line, Stewards decided that it was force majeure and decided not to award any penalty.

"That's quite literally gaining 1s during VSC, and the lap times also check out. Not sure the difference between your "1.4s moments after VSC was pulled in" and "sudden gap of only 0.8 almost immediately thereafter". Anyway..."

The poster explained to you that the VSC was over, Leclerc misjudged the ending and lost time to Max

Max never went over the delta so him gaining time was never on him but Charles