2022 Australian Grand Prix - Melbourne, April 08 - 10

[Vanja #66]

Downforce pushing the car down and the lateral load(it's easy flat but it's still a turn) pushing it further down perhaps? And once the bouncing starts it's hard to stop.

That sounds very plausible.

[LM10]

Been the same last races though. RB .3-.4secs behind then turn it up for qualifying and the race.

Wouldn’t read too much into the times

Absolutely. This was the case over many seasons now. Ferrari runs more power on Fridays and, thus, unlocks less on Sat compared to Merc and Bull since long time. It was just not visible in the last two years as they were not on the top in FPs by other reasons. But this was obvious in 2018, they use a bit of a different approach in FPs.

It’s not true that Ferrari used more power in FP sessions and unlocked less in qualifying in the current season.

What happened in the past is completely irrelevant anyway, in my opinion. We’ve seen many examples of “traditions” being broken this season.

[sunny1304r]

According to the news Ferrari was busy evaluating their updates today, don't see any reason for their engine to turn up unnecessary.

[JPower]

Been the same last races though. RB .3-.4secs behind then turn it up for qualifying and the race.

Wouldn’t read too much into the times

Absolutely. This was the case over many seasons now. Ferrari runs more power on Fridays and, thus, unlocks less on Sat compared to Merc and Bull since long time. It was just not visible in the last two years as they were not on the top in FPs by other reasons. But this was obvious in 2018, they use a bit of a different approach in FPs.

It’s not true that Ferrari used more power in FP sessions and unlocked less in qualifying in the current season.

What happened in the past is completely irrelevant anyway, in my opinion. We’ve seen many examples of “traditions” being broken this season.

Exactly. Funny, people were claiming the same thing during testing and FP session in Bahrain before Charles put it on pole.

"Ferrari runs higher power modes during practice than the rest so they'll fall behind during quali"

Haven't seen any evidence on such in 2022.

[Juzh]

Exactly. Funny, people were claiming the same thing during testing and FP session in Bahrain before Charles put it on pole.

"Ferrari runs higher power modes during practice than the rest so they'll fall behind during quali"

Haven't seen any evidence on such in 2022.

Been the same last races though. RB .3-.4secs behind then turn it up for qualifying and the race.

Wouldn’t read too much into the times

Absolutely. This was the case over many seasons now. Ferrari runs more power on Fridays and, thus, unlocks less on Sat compared to Merc and Bull since long time. It was just not visible in the last two years as they were not on the top in FPs by other reasons. But this was obvious in 2018, they use a bit of a different approach in FPs.

It’s not true that Ferrari used more power in FP sessions and unlocked less in qualifying in the current season.

What happened in the past is completely irrelevant anyway, in my opinion. We’ve seen many examples of “traditions” being broken this season.

If you look at relevant sessions this year gap from fp2 to q3 stayed almost the same between ferrari and red bull give or take a tenth here or there. I don't see why this would change suddenly. To me it looks they both operate on a very similar progression trough the weekend, even with regards to fuel loads on quali sims.

On the engine side it's the same story. Red bull gained 7 kmh on start/finish straight for example from fp2 to Q3 in saudi arabia and ferrari gained 5 kmh. So I'd say they're both holding back similar amount.

[dialtone]

Haas seemed out of pace, and judging by Mick's telemetry, basically the only one I can gather from FastF1, for some reason MAG's doesn't work, but they took it exceedingly easy on corners. I think having only 2 cars means they are really optimizing for still having 2 cars right before quali. Their pace will probably again look similar to Alfa Romeo during quali.

MAG's race sim was on Hards:
HARD/12 Stint 5.0: 1:26.126
HARD/13 Stint 5.0: 1:25.528
HARD/14 Stint 5.0: 1:24.895
HARD/15 Stint 5.0: 1:24.802
HARD/16 Stint 5.0: 1:25.251

which doesn't really look that bad and somewhat in line with Alpine's race sim from ALO which was around 1:24.2 on Mediums about the same age as these Hards.

[LM10]

Exactly. Funny, people were claiming the same thing during testing and FP session in Bahrain before Charles put it on pole.

"Ferrari runs higher power modes during practice than the rest so they'll fall behind during quali"

Haven't seen any evidence on such in 2022.

Absolutely. This was the case over many seasons now. Ferrari runs more power on Fridays and, thus, unlocks less on Sat compared to Merc and Bull since long time. It was just not visible in the last two years as they were not on the top in FPs by other reasons. But this was obvious in 2018, they use a bit of a different approach in FPs.

It’s not true that Ferrari used more power in FP sessions and unlocked less in qualifying in the current season.

What happened in the past is completely irrelevant anyway, in my opinion. We’ve seen many examples of “traditions” being broken this season.

If you look at relevant sessions this year gap from fp2 to q3 stayed almost the same between ferrari and red bull give or take a tenth here or there. I don't see why this would change suddenly. To me it looks they both operate on a very similar progression trough the weekend, even with regards to fuel loads on quali sims.

On the engine side it's the same story. Red bull gained 7 kmh on start/finish straight for example from fp2 to Q3 in saudi arabia and ferrari gained 5 kmh. So I'd say they're both holding back similar amount.

What I'm curious to find out in the future is if RedBull is taking it a bit easier with their PU and will turn it up later in the season, too. It has been reported by reliable sources that Ferrari is not running turned up yet, making sure the reliability is OK and will unleash more power with the PU number 2.

[search]

Haas seemed out of pace, and judging by Mick's telemetry, basically the only one I can gather from FastF1, for some reason MAG's doesn't work, but they took it exceedingly easy on corners. I think having only 2 cars means they are really optimizing for still having 2 cars right before quali. Their pace will probably again look similar to Alfa Romeo during quali.

according to AMuS, Schumacher also had some technical problems, and Magnussen is sick. So there may be more to come indeed - unless they can't fix it, and/or Magnussen has to be replaced even.

[LM10]

Absolutely. This was the case over many seasons now. Ferrari runs more power on Fridays and, thus, unlocks less on Sat compared to Merc and Bull since long time. It was just not visible in the last two years as they were not on the top in FPs by other reasons. But this was obvious in 2018, they use a bit of a different approach in FPs.

It’s not true that Ferrari used more power in FP sessions and unlocked less in qualifying in the current season.

What happened in the past is completely irrelevant anyway, in my opinion. We’ve seen many examples of “traditions” being broken this season.

Exactly. Funny, people were claiming the same thing during testing and FP session in Bahrain before Charles put it on pole.

"Ferrari runs higher power modes during practice than the rest so they'll fall behind during quali"

Haven't seen any evidence on such in 2022.

I think people will keep claiming such things until they (hopefully) get proven wrong.

[Neuron]

It looks similar to Abu Dhabi - RBR faster on straights, Ferrari faster on corners. I am afraid that with 4 DRS zones it will be even better to have high speed on straights instead of good cornering...

[Big Tea]

Haas seemed out of pace, and judging by Mick's telemetry, basically the only one I can gather from FastF1, for some reason MAG's doesn't work, but they took it exceedingly easy on corners. I think having only 2 cars means they are really optimizing for still having 2 cars right before quali. Their pace will probably again look similar to Alfa Romeo during quali.

according to AMuS, Schumacher also had some technical problems, and Magnussen is sick. So there may be more to come indeed - unless they can't fix it, and/or Magnussen has to be replaced even.

What would be very interesting is if Hulk got to drive that car. Some have waited s long time for that comparison

[search]

Haas seemed out of pace, and judging by Mick's telemetry, basically the only one I can gather from FastF1, for some reason MAG's doesn't work, but they took it exceedingly easy on corners. I think having only 2 cars means they are really optimizing for still having 2 cars right before quali. Their pace will probably again look similar to Alfa Romeo during quali.

according to AMuS, Schumacher also had some technical problems, and Magnussen is sick. So there may be more to come indeed - unless they can't fix it, and/or Magnussen has to be replaced even.

What would be very interesting is if Hulk got to drive that car. Some have waited s long time for that comparison

that would be interesting indeed, but I doubt he is around? Nor is Fittipaldi though, by the look of it. So no idea who would drive the car in case things get worse for Magnussen

edit: Fittipaldi (same as Giovinazzi) is indeed not in Australia. I guess the seat would go to Kubica then.

[dialtone]

It looks similar to Abu Dhabi - RBR faster on straights, Ferrari faster on corners. I am afraid that with 4 DRS zones it will be even better to have high speed on straights instead of good cornering...

I'm not so sure. RBR ran lower downforce in FP1 and the car was terrible to drive, then in FP2 they put on higher downforce and they closed the gap, but are still a bit behind and the straights are not long enough to gain the massive time they did in Jeddah.

[Wouter]

according to AMuS, Schumacher also had some technical problems, and Magnussen is sick. So there may be more to come indeed - unless they can't fix it, and/or Magnussen has to be replaced even.

What would be very interesting is if Hulk got to drive that car. Some have waited s long time for that comparison

that would be interesting indeed, but I doubt he is around? Nor is Fittipaldi though, by the look of it. So no idea who would drive the car in case things get worse for Magnussen

edit: Fittipaldi (same as Giovinazzi) is indeed not in Australia. I guess the seat would go to Kubica then.

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Someone mentioned today Oscar Piastri. He is the reserve driver for the Alpine F1 Team and a reserve driver for McLaren F1 Team and he is in Melbourne at the moment.

[Juzh]

Downforce pushing the car down and the lateral load(it's easy flat but it's still a turn) pushing it further down perhaps? And once the bouncing starts it's hard to stop.

That sounds very plausible.

Agreed, most likely that slight kink is having a big impact, unlikely as it may seem.