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WTF is wrong with Sutil & FI???? Seriously why didn't his team tell him Webber was on a timed lap and tell him to get out of the way and WTF did he not just use his F'N brain when he saw Webber flying up behind him and just GTF out of his way and when he was clear then start his own lap!!! FFS he was on an out lap, a couple of extra seconds for Webber to go by would not have affected him at all!! :evil:

Very unprofessional conduct imo!!!!
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djos wrote:WTF is wrong with Sutil & FI???? Seriously why didn't his team tell him Webber was on a timed lap and tell him to get out of the way and WTF did he not just use his F'N brain when he saw Webber flying up behind him and just GTF out of his way and when he was clear then start his own lap!!! FFS he was on an out lap, a couple of extra seconds for Webber to go by would not have affected him at all!! :evil:

Very unprofessional conduct imo!!!!
a) Calm down :lol:

b) You do realise how little drivers can see in their mirrors?

c) Yes the team should have told him but --- happens

d) There was loads of cars on the track - it was bound to happen to someone
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Scotracer wrote:
djos wrote:WTF is wrong with Sutil & FI???? Seriously why didn't his team tell him Webber was on a timed lap and tell him to get out of the way and WTF did he not just use his F'N brain when he saw Webber flying up behind him and just GTF out of his way and when he was clear then start his own lap!!! FFS he was on an out lap, a couple of extra seconds for Webber to go by would not have affected him at all!! :evil:

Very unprofessional conduct imo!!!!
a) Calm down :lol:

b) You do realise how little drivers can see in their mirrors?

c) Yes the team should have told him but --- happens

d) There was loads of cars on the track - it was bound to happen to someone
a/ Hey I gotta vent somewhere as the fiancée has no idea what im talking about! :lol:

b/ sutil saw him plain as day, after he blocked webber he proceeded to stuff up his second attempt by slipstreaming webber into the first corner!

c/ the teams should be held accountable in these instances imo

d/ see point c/
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Watch the replay again and you'll see that when he realises that Webber is flying up behind he does pull over but the speed difference is too great and Webber is obviously worried about losing his fast lap therefore goes for broke down the inside.

What happened on the track was just that but yes the team should have told them as they have all that data.
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Scotracer wrote:
djos wrote:WTF is wrong with Sutil & FI???? Seriously why didn't his team tell him Webber was on a timed lap and tell him to get out of the way and WTF did he not just use his F'N brain when he saw Webber flying up behind him and just GTF out of his way and when he was clear then start his own lap!!! FFS he was on an out lap, a couple of extra seconds for Webber to go by would not have affected him at all!! :evil:

Very unprofessional conduct imo!!!!
a) Calm down :lol:

b) You do realise how little drivers can see in their mirrors?

c) Yes the team should have told him but --- happens

d) There was loads of cars on the track - it was bound to happen to someone
When interviewed, Sutil said that he was defending against Webber passing him, because he thought Webb was on an out lap as well, not a timed lap.

He also ended the interview by saying that he was going to go find Mark and apologize for the mistake.

Bad break for Webber, but also an opportunity to put in an amazing drive to get into the points. He has the car, the talent, and has choice of strategy. I think he will do fine! I am actually looking for Webber to be driver of the day tomorrow with his charge through the field! He will be the 600lb gorilla in the room at the back of the field, and I am looking forward to seeing how he manhandles the sub-par opponents.

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Scotracer wrote:Watch the replay again and you'll see that when he realises that Webber is flying up behind he does pull over but the speed difference is too great and Webber is obviously worried about losing his fast lap therefore goes for broke down the inside.

What happened on the track was just that but yes the team should have told them as they have all that data.
Mark Webber, P19: "Traffic. I had traffic on the last corner and therefore wasn’t quick enough to go through. I don’t usually get caught out with that problem and that was the worst place to get nailed, as it wrecked both my flying laps. I had nowhere to go in the last corner of my first lap and then Sutil slip-streamed past me for the start of my second, so it was a disaster. Q1 is the worst session to have had that problem, as now we’re at the back for tomorrow – my race is screwed."
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Well, it is what it is. Not much can be done about it now other than drive like hell.
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I hadn't seen that particular quote but the point still stands that Sutil wasn't be malicious with what he did; if what he believed Webber was doing were true then it would have been justified.

And just a partially rhetorical question: what would you have expected Adrian to have done when Webber was JUST in front of him and was gaining a slipstream for the start of his hotlap?
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Conceptual wrote:Bad break for Webber, but also an opportunity to put in an amazing drive to get into the points. He has the car, the talent, and has choice of strategy. I think he will do fine! I am actually looking for Webber to be driver of the day tomorrow with his charge through the field! He will be the 600lb gorilla in the room at the back of the field, and I am looking forward to seeing how he manhandles the sub-par opponents.
Considering Webber isn't fueled to the gunwales and has a very fast car I hope he can make his way thru the field as bahrain does have some good passing possibilities for a fast car.
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Scotracer wrote:I hadn't seen that particular quote but the point still stands that Sutil wasn't be malicious with what he did; if what he believed Webber was doing were true then it would have been justified.

And just a partially rhetorical question: what would you have expected Adrian to have done when Webber was JUST in front of him and was gaining a slipstream for the start of his hotlap?
I never said it was malicious, imo it's a failure of communications from FI and common sense from Sutil.

He should have backed off before the last corner and let Webbo past then webbo (who was on similar pace to Vettel before being baulked) would have been able to get off the racing line once past the start/finish line allowing Adrian and unimpeded lap.
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djos wrote:
Conceptual wrote:Bad break for Webber, but also an opportunity to put in an amazing drive to get into the points. He has the car, the talent, and has choice of strategy. I think he will do fine! I am actually looking for Webber to be driver of the day tomorrow with his charge through the field! He will be the 600lb gorilla in the room at the back of the field, and I am looking forward to seeing how he manhandles the sub-par opponents.
Considering Webber isn't fueled to the gunwales and has a very fast car I hope he can make his way thru the field as bahrain does have soem good passing possibilities for a fast car.

I think that Vettel will win it, but will be overshadowed by a superb Webber drive.

I always like seeing FAST cars/drivers at the back of the field on relatively low fuel and starting with the SS tyres.

He should be able to nail 5-6 places on the first lap, and quite possibly end up in the points.

OT: When is RBR to debut their KERS solution? Since Renault's is race ready/proven, would it be worth buying theirs to go with the new diffusor upgrade? I think that might just sew up the WDC/WCC if they pulled it off!

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Conceptual wrote: I think that Vettel will win it, but will be overshadowed by a superb Webber drive.

I always like seeing FAST cars/drivers at the back of the field on relatively low fuel and starting with the SS tyres.

He should be able to nail 5-6 places on the first lap, and quite possibly end up in the points.

OT: When is RBR to debut their KERS solution? Since Renault's is race ready/proven, would it be worth buying theirs to go with the new diffusor upgrade? I think that might just sew up the WDC/WCC if they pulled it off!
I just hope webber doesnt get caught up in any 1st corner stupidity!

RBR have said that they will run it when they believe it will be of benefit - iirc Monza was one circuit they mentioned they may fit kers as they tested it pre-season and where happy with the results.
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This is Webber we are talking about, he will probly get sandwiched and hit by the 2 STR's... his teammates(and half way teammates) seem to have a nack for hitting him.

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ISLAMATRON wrote:This is Webber we are talking about, he will probly get sandwiched and hit by the 2 STR's... his teammates(and half way teammates) seem to have a nack for hitting him.

Im more worried about Fizzy or Sutil doing something stupid than the two Seb's! [-o<
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