Nice series of top down shots here https://xpbimages.com/f1/event/f1-2022-imo/sa?p=3
RZS10 wrote: ↑24 Apr 2022, 12:25Nice series of top down shots here https://xpbimages.com/f1/event/f1-2022-imo/sa?p=3
https://xpbimages.com/thumbnails/2022/f ... LS_264.jpg https://xpbimages.com/thumbnails/2022/f ... SW_264.jpg
Maybe these pictures could share some light on what Vanja and other guys say regarding too much drag hence coupled with not enough downforce ...
Nice comparison! I am surprised by how much downforce and low drag RB has with that floor height, given that Merc loses a lot of downforce with similar clearance. Ferrari seems to be the lowest of all, maybe explaining why they are so affected by porpoising, but leaving a question mark on how they are able to deal with it.atanatizante wrote: ↑27 Apr 2022, 21:12Maybe these pictures could share some light on what Vanja and other guys say regarding too much drag hence coupled with not enough downforce ...
https://postimages.org/
https://postimages.org/
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If this is representative in terms of cars being reasonably close to their normal cornering speed at that point, it seems like Ferrari is actually the one who runs the lowest, Mercedes a bit higher than RB but not by a lot.atanatizante wrote: ↑27 Apr 2022, 21:12Maybe these pictures could share some light on what Vanja and other guys say regarding too much drag hence coupled with not enough downforce ...
https://postimages.org/
https://postimages.org/
https://postimages.org/
Not sure about how representative this comparison is. The differences look way too much to be true. Even a couple of millimeters would make a big impact, but the difference we see on the pictures is in the range of centimeters, by the looks of it. So it’s more of a perspective thing, besides other key question marks like speed of the cars in that very moment.Sevach wrote: ↑27 Apr 2022, 22:19If this is representative in terms of cars being reasonably close to their normal cornering speed at that point, it seems like Ferrari is actually the one who runs the lowest, Mercedes a bit higher than RB but not by a lot.atanatizante wrote: ↑27 Apr 2022, 21:12Maybe these pictures could share some light on what Vanja and other guys say regarding too much drag hence coupled with not enough downforce ...
https://postimages.org/
https://postimages.org/
https://postimages.org/
The only way this would make sense is that Ferrari (Mercedes too) tried setting up their car to completely avoid porpoising in the opening 2 races, and after that decided "F... it, let's tough it out for max performance".LM10 wrote: ↑27 Apr 2022, 22:33Not sure about how representative this comparison is. The differences look way too much to be true. Even a couple of millimeters would make a big impact, but the difference we see on the pictures is in the range of centimeters, by the looks of it. So it’s more of a perspective thing, besides other key question marks like speed of the cars in that very moment.Sevach wrote: ↑27 Apr 2022, 22:19If this is representative in terms of cars being reasonably close to their normal cornering speed at that point, it seems like Ferrari is actually the one who runs the lowest, Mercedes a bit higher than RB but not by a lot.atanatizante wrote: ↑27 Apr 2022, 21:12
Maybe these pictures could share some light on what Vanja and other guys say regarding too much drag hence coupled with not enough downforce ...
https://postimages.org/
https://postimages.org/
https://postimages.org/
It also doesn’t make sense that RedBull wouldn’t be the one having the lowest ride height, being the only team having solved the porpoising.
Looks like these photos are from FP1, when Ferrari experimented with very low ride height. In general, Red Bull sits the lowest (always sparkling the most), while Mercedes floor flexes the most and gives an impression of low ride height.atanatizante wrote: ↑27 Apr 2022, 21:12Maybe these pictures could share some light on what Vanja and other guys say regarding too much drag hence coupled with not enough downforce ...
Thank you for the interesting article. Nice to see how the designs of the cars are so different and what that does to the porpoise problem.Andi76 wrote: ↑14 May 2022, 12:15An analysis about the different "porpoising-solutions" of Red Bull, Ferrari and Mercedes. Its in Italian, unfortunately, but Google Translator makes it.... understandable. With some guessing
https://www.salastamparacing.com/tech-f ... s-ferrari/
You are talking about the concept & design phase of a car. The concept and design phase has nothing to do with a cars developement potential. Of course it is possible that the RB 18 has more developement potential. But just because Ferrari maybe started their design and concept work earlier, this does not mean the car has less potential left for developement. Also one concept has more developement potential, another one has less developement potential. And we cannot say which one it is. But in general a developement programm and its potential gets defined by a car finished, not when its concept and design phase started. History proves that. Just turn the clock 20 years back. Ferrari was the first team to start the concept&design of the F2002 in April 2001. Still they were able to develope the car for the whole season and keep their huge advantage.mitodriver wrote: ↑14 May 2022, 14:44Thank you for the interesting article. Nice to see how the designs of the cars are so different and what that does to the porpoise problem.Andi76 wrote: ↑14 May 2022, 12:15An analysis about the different "porpoising-solutions" of Red Bull, Ferrari and Mercedes. Its in Italian, unfortunately, but Google Translator makes it.... understandable. With some guessing
https://www.salastamparacing.com/tech-f ... s-ferrari/
The writer indicates that he expects the Ferrari to have more development potential as they have not yet brought updates.
But could it not be that the biggest development potential is with RedBull because Ferrari have been developing the car for a longer time during last season. Ferrari may therefore have a more developed car at the moment. RedBull, on the other hand, continued to develop the 2021 car and may have developed a basic concept and are now starting to develop the 2022 car.
We will see in Barcelona. I am very much looking forward to seeing how the development battle unfolds.