2022 car comparison thread

[RZS10]

Nice series of top down shots here https://xpbimages.com/f1/event/f1-2022-imo/sa?p=3

[Stu]

When you consider how tight we all thought the regulations were these two interpretations almost look as though they are from different categories!

[vorticism]

Nice series of top down shots here https://xpbimages.com/f1/event/f1-2022-imo/sa?p=3
https://xpbimages.com/thumbnails/2022/f ... LS_264.jpg https://xpbimages.com/thumbnails/2022/f ... SW_264.jpg

[Sevach]

Someone made this.

[atanatizante]

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The car has too much drag ...

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Maybe these pictures could share some light on what Vanja and other guys say regarding too much drag hence coupled with not enough downforce ...

[matteosc]

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The car has too much drag ...

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Maybe these pictures could share some light on what Vanja and other guys say regarding too much drag hence coupled with not enough downforce ...

https://postimages.org/
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Nice comparison! I am surprised by how much downforce and low drag RB has with that floor height, given that Merc loses a lot of downforce with similar clearance. Ferrari seems to be the lowest of all, maybe explaining why they are so affected by porpoising, but leaving a question mark on how they are able to deal with it.

[Sevach]

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The car has too much drag ...

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Maybe these pictures could share some light on what Vanja and other guys say regarding too much drag hence coupled with not enough downforce ...

https://postimages.org/
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If this is representative in terms of cars being reasonably close to their normal cornering speed at that point, it seems like Ferrari is actually the one who runs the lowest, Mercedes a bit higher than RB but not by a lot.

[LM10]

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The car has too much drag ...

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Maybe these pictures could share some light on what Vanja and other guys say regarding too much drag hence coupled with not enough downforce ...

https://postimages.org/
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https://postimages.org/

If this is representative in terms of cars being reasonably close to their normal cornering speed at that point, it seems like Ferrari is actually the one who runs the lowest, Mercedes a bit higher than RB but not by a lot.

Not sure about how representative this comparison is. The differences look way too much to be true. Even a couple of millimeters would make a big impact, but the difference we see on the pictures is in the range of centimeters, by the looks of it. So it’s more of a perspective thing, besides other key question marks like speed of the cars in that very moment.

It also doesn’t make sense that RedBull wouldn’t be the one having the lowest ride height, being the only team having solved the porpoising.

[Sevach]

Maybe these pictures could share some light on what Vanja and other guys say regarding too much drag hence coupled with not enough downforce ...

https://postimages.org/
https://postimages.org/
https://postimages.org/

If this is representative in terms of cars being reasonably close to their normal cornering speed at that point, it seems like Ferrari is actually the one who runs the lowest, Mercedes a bit higher than RB but not by a lot.

Not sure about how representative this comparison is. The differences look way too much to be true. Even a couple of millimeters would make a big impact, but the difference we see on the pictures is in the range of centimeters, by the looks of it. So it’s more of a perspective thing, besides other key question marks like speed of the cars in that very moment.

It also doesn’t make sense that RedBull wouldn’t be the one having the lowest ride height, being the only team having solved the porpoising.

The only way this would make sense is that Ferrari (Mercedes too) tried setting up their car to completely avoid porpoising in the opening 2 races, and after that decided "F... it, let's tough it out for max performance".

But yes we can't be sure if it is representative.

[Vanja #66]

Maybe these pictures could share some light on what Vanja and other guys say regarding too much drag hence coupled with not enough downforce ...

Looks like these photos are from FP1, when Ferrari experimented with very low ride height. In general, Red Bull sits the lowest (always sparkling the most), while Mercedes floor flexes the most and gives an impression of low ride height.

RB floor has the biggest tunnel height, meaning they can run the car very low and seal the floor very nicely. Ferrari has slightly lower tunnel height, meaning more raw downforce, but also more trouble with bouncing. Mercedes has the lowest tunnel height, they really didn't count on any problems with lowered ride heights at high speed, which is very surprising to me.

[Drift4794]

Detailed write-up in FUnoAT comparing the floors of Ferrari, RB and Mercedes: https://www.funoanalisitecnica.com/2022 ... f1-75.html

Use DeepL to translate

[Andi76]

An analysis about the different "porpoising-solutions" of Red Bull, Ferrari and Mercedes. Its in Italian, unfortunately, but Google Translator makes it.... understandable. With some guessing

https://www.salastamparacing.com/tech-f ... s-ferrari/

[mitodriver]

An analysis about the different "porpoising-solutions" of Red Bull, Ferrari and Mercedes. Its in Italian, unfortunately, but Google Translator makes it.... understandable. With some guessing

https://www.salastamparacing.com/tech-f ... s-ferrari/

Thank you for the interesting article. Nice to see how the designs of the cars are so different and what that does to the porpoise problem.

The writer indicates that he expects the Ferrari to have more development potential as they have not yet brought updates.
But could it not be that the biggest development potential is with RedBull because Ferrari have been developing the car for a longer time during last season. Ferrari may therefore have a more developed car at the moment. RedBull, on the other hand, continued to develop the 2021 car and may have developed a basic concept and are now starting to develop the 2022 car.
We will see in Barcelona. I am very much looking forward to seeing how the development battle unfolds.

[Andi76]

An analysis about the different "porpoising-solutions" of Red Bull, Ferrari and Mercedes. Its in Italian, unfortunately, but Google Translator makes it.... understandable. With some guessing

https://www.salastamparacing.com/tech-f ... s-ferrari/

Thank you for the interesting article. Nice to see how the designs of the cars are so different and what that does to the porpoise problem.

The writer indicates that he expects the Ferrari to have more development potential as they have not yet brought updates.
But could it not be that the biggest development potential is with RedBull because Ferrari have been developing the car for a longer time during last season. Ferrari may therefore have a more developed car at the moment. RedBull, on the other hand, continued to develop the 2021 car and may have developed a basic concept and are now starting to develop the 2022 car.
We will see in Barcelona. I am very much looking forward to seeing how the development battle unfolds.

You are talking about the concept & design phase of a car. The concept and design phase has nothing to do with a cars developement potential. Of course it is possible that the RB 18 has more developement potential. But just because Ferrari maybe started their design and concept work earlier, this does not mean the car has less potential left for developement. Also one concept has more developement potential, another one has less developement potential. And we cannot say which one it is. But in general a developement programm and its potential gets defined by a car finished, not when its concept and design phase started. History proves that. Just turn the clock 20 years back. Ferrari was the first team to start the concept&design of the F2002 in April 2001. Still they were able to develope the car for the whole season and keep their huge advantage.

[Stu]

The Miami race threw up something that I think is very interesting as far as suspension behaviour is concerned.
Watching the Ferrari following the RedBull through the chicane shows up a stark difference between the two.
The bump at the second apex caused the Ferrari to bounce fairly violently, suggesting that they have very stiff springs fitted; the RedBull, however, seemed to absorb the bump very equally across the whole rear of the car. We have seen images of the RedBull rear suspension, it features a fairly spectacular anti-roll bar, and the behaviour exhibited by the car backs this up.
The Racecar Engineering interview with Adrian Newey brings up the topic of the cars being particularly front limited this year, and that he was very involved with the suspension design. Tightening up the roll at the rear of the car should help to balance out that front limited behaviour.
It is almost as though they have created something that behaves like a De-Dion system at the rear of the car, but within the regulations regarding suspension construction.
The very tight ARB, coupled with comparatively low spring rates, is a fairly ‘out of the box’ direction to take.
Coupled with the multi-link front suspension, with what seems to be an upper leaf spring with two pivot locations, they have a second ‘out of the box’ solution.
You could say that they seem to have come up with a new way to create an old (supposedly out of date) solution, but it seems to really work well for them.
They are also apparently using Multimatic spool valve technology in their dampers.