2022 Austrian Grand Prix - Spielberg, July 08 - 10

[AMG.Tzan]

Apart from Hamilton Ferrari doesn't seem anywhere near Verstapen...I don't really understand why Leclerc was confident for tomorrow!

I actually thought Sainz looked pretty quick until he was (most likely?!) told to back off. He had a strong race with McLaren in Spielberg as well when he raced from last to 6th or sth like that, and finished ahead of Leclerc in both races last year. Maybe he's the one to watch out for tomorrow.

True...Sainz looked fast but still I don't think he's fast enough or aggressive enough to get Verstapen! This looks like a normal weekend for Leclerc yet he doesn't seem to be quick enough to challenge for victory...

[darkpino]

Not worth it. He clearly has an agenda.

No ‘agenda’ here. I’ll just sit back and wait for this footage of Mick running Hamilton off the track to never arrive to actually support a point of someone’s favourite driver

Here’s the clip

https://youtube.com/clip/UgkxMGUXB7Gr2 ... rVnqlSK1sk

Pretty much the same as the Albon move except Hamilton has the brains to back out of it because that corner narrows on the exit

To be honest I don’t see anything happening that’s not right. I thought that Mick was defending in a great way and said to my friends that if it was Max he would have pushed Lewis already in the kitty litter exit turn 4.

In my opinion the 7 championships say it all: he is one of the best if not the best ever in F1 but his time has passed, his racecraft has become below par and the only way he can win is with a car which is quicker than his opposition. Not something to be shy about: the guy is 37 and has lots seasons past him: time to make room for someone new

[holeindalip]

No ‘agenda’ here. I’ll just sit back and wait for this footage of Mick running Hamilton off the track to never arrive to actually support a point of someone’s favourite driver

Here’s the clip

https://youtube.com/clip/UgkxMGUXB7Gr2 ... rVnqlSK1sk

Pretty much the same as the Albon move except Hamilton has the brains to back out of it because that corner narrows on the exit

To be honest I don’t see anything happening that’s not right. I thought that Mick was defending in a great way and said to my friends that if it was Max he would have pushed Lewis already in the kitty litter exit turn 4.

In my opinion the 7 championships say it all: he is one of the best if not the best ever in F1 but his time has passed, his racecraft has become below par and the only way he can win is with a car which is quicker than his opposition. Not something to be shy about: the guy is 37 and has lots seasons past him: time to make room for someone new

Where did I say it was wrong? I mean if that’s your form of racing seeing people race through gravel you should probably watch rally….and for the other stuff when was the last time someone won a race without a faster car barring any issues to the faster cars?

[darkpino]

Here’s the clip

https://youtube.com/clip/UgkxMGUXB7Gr2 ... rVnqlSK1sk

Pretty much the same as the Albon move except Hamilton has the brains to back out of it because that corner narrows on the exit

To be honest I don’t see anything happening that’s not right. I thought that Mick was defending in a great way and said to my friends that if it was Max he would have pushed Lewis already in the kitty litter exit turn 4.

In my opinion the 7 championships say it all: he is one of the best if not the best ever in F1 but his time has passed, his racecraft has become below par and the only way he can win is with a car which is quicker than his opposition. Not something to be shy about: the guy is 37 and has lots seasons past him: time to make room for someone new

Where did I say it was wrong? I mean if that’s your form of racing seeing people race through gravel you should probably watch rally….and for the other stuff when was the last time someone won a race without a faster car barring any issues to the faster cars?

I don’t see Mick running Lewis off track either?

[codetower]

What tyres do the teams have left for the race tomorrow?

[maxxer]

To be honest I don’t see anything happening that’s not right. I thought that Mick was defending in a great way and said to my friends that if it was Max he would have pushed Lewis already in the kitty litter exit turn 4.

In my opinion the 7 championships say it all: he is one of the best if not the best ever in F1 but his time has passed, his racecraft has become below par and the only way he can win is with a car which is quicker than his opposition. Not something to be shy about: the guy is 37 and has lots seasons past him: time to make room for someone new

Where did I say it was wrong? I mean if that’s your form of racing seeing people race through gravel you should probably watch rally….and for the other stuff when was the last time someone won a race without a faster car barring any issues to the faster cars?

I don’t see Mick running Lewis off track either?

Nope not at all was just good racing and haas played it very well

[dialtone]

Hamilton fan here!

Can't really understand why people are complaining about Schumacher's defense! The guy just couldn't brake late enough to pass Schumacher...it was getting frustrating! If you look at Perez's pass Hamilton had exactly the same opportunity a lap later (lap 12 I think) yet instead for going for the inside he chose to go to the outside line and try a DRS pass down to turn 4!

Problem is he did the same thing for about 10 laps until in the end it worked! What gets on my nerves lately with Hamilton is that he's not aggressive enough even though he isn't racing for the championship and he tries the same move again and again until he succeeds instead of changing lines and trying something different!

I don't expect anything better tomorrow...he needs a good start and the only time he had a great start (Silverstone first start) the grid got reverted back to the original order! He also has an Alpine in front of him which for some reason are quite fast down the straights so I expect a boring race where he's stuck for 50 laps behind Ocon...

Apart from Hamilton Ferrari doesn't seem anywhere near Verstapen...I don't really understand why Leclerc was confident for tomorrow! Russell also doesn't seem fast enough to challenge the Ferraris let alone the Red Bulls!

All in all a boring race coming up...hopefully I'll be proved wrong!!

Data shows Leclerc and Max are 0.03s apart. They had a mirror strategy in the sprint race with Lec saving tires at the start and Max using them at the start, which meant Max suffering a bit at the end and Lec pushing more at the end. They can still adjust stuff for tomorrow but your opinion isn't based on data.

[RZS10]

https://i.ibb.co/ZXX20PC/CE566-FF5-1-D1 ... D00129.png

What sort of cars width is that??

Exactly 1 (one) - or as much as he's owed, the onboard just makes it look narrower than it is, seems that your depth perception is tricking you into believing it's 2/3rds of a car's width (according to your other post).

I superimposed a higher res onboard to make it clearer where the edge of the tyre is.


Worst case he forced him to ride the white line, so the move was perfectly judged.

[notsofast]

Lec saving tires at the start and Max using them at the start, which meant Max suffering a bit at the end and Lec pushing more at the end.

This is what I don't like about the "sprint" races. They are too long. If saving tires is necessary during a race, then by definition it is not a sprint.

[senja]

That's just excuse. Some of the drivers run whole sprint race on softs, and he saved mediums? He was not faster than Max on the end of the race. Max just didn't need to push anymore...

[dialtone]

That's just excuse. Some of the drivers run whole sprint race on softs, and he saved mediums? He was not faster than Max on the end of the race. Max just didn't need to push anymore...

Nope it isn't an excuse, it's what happened, both because of comments from Verstappen, and because of comments from Horner, and because that's what the data shows.



Lap 5 (VER best lap) vs Lap 15 (far enough into the race, but losing ground to LEC).

Engine RPM is the same, he actually brakes later in most corners, there's no lift and coast, throttle on/off times are the same except... in the fast corners, right where you expect to pay when your front tires are falling off. Lap 15 he actually gets to higher max speed than lap 5.

So once again... No, he's not cruising, he's suffering a little bit from tires deg.

EDIT: also lap 15 isn't a bad lap from VER at all, lap 17, 18 and 19 are worse or much worse laps.

The 2 cars are so well matched that the 2 of them had the exact same time on lap 11, both cars did 1:9.057.
At the end of the race LEC was able to still hit 1:8.996 at lap 18 and generally lapping in low 1:9s while VER was more in the mid 1:9s.

But you know... never let facts get in the way of a good story.

[jz11]

Lec saving tires at the start and Max using them at the start, which meant Max suffering a bit at the end and Lec pushing more at the end.

This is what I don't like about the "sprint" races. They are too long. If saving tires is necessary during a race, then by definition it is not a sprint.

I personally don't think any tire saving took place, Max was slowing down because he was in full control and could afford it, and Charles was fighting Sainz, may have had to regroup once he got past

[Mansell89]

No ‘agenda’ here. I’ll just sit back and wait for this footage of Mick running Hamilton off the track to never arrive to actually support a point of someone’s favourite driver

Here’s the clip

https://youtube.com/clip/UgkxMGUXB7Gr2 ... rVnqlSK1sk

Pretty much the same as the Albon move except Hamilton has the brains to back out of it because that corner narrows on the exit

To be honest I don’t see anything happening that’s not right. I thought that Mick was defending in a great way and said to my friends that if it was Max he would have pushed Lewis already in the kitty litter exit turn 4.

In my opinion the 7 championships say it all: he is one of the best if not the best ever in F1 but his time has passed, his racecraft has become below par and the only way he can win is with a car which is quicker than his opposition. Not something to be shy about: the guy is 37 and has lots seasons past him: time to make room for someone new

So a handful of races in a useless Mercedes car in new regs and it’s time for him to accept it’s over? Hilarious. Went toe to toe with young Max only last November!!

The convenient use of events to fuel what you want to believe is hilarious in F1 forums.

Hamilton and Alonso continue to be absolutely stellar IMO and it’s a greater travesty that the latter hasn’t been in the title fights these last few years as we know he’s upto the challenge of spicing it up and pushing anyone and everyone close!

The bandwagon fans are out in force though so let’s quickly retire anyone in a slow car this year

[langedweil]

I'd say he's far from ready to retire ..
But to me it appears he's relearning to actually race this year (for obvious reasons), as the Merc is no longer in it's own (separate) league and yanking away into the distance on every occasion. Especially in the first few races he was really quick in letting his head down, which was stupid. Understandable, but stupid .. as it somehow cried entitlement.
Anyway, as of late Mercs are starting to maybe step into the two-way fight, and now he starts racing once again. Elbows out when needed, taking more and more riscs. The latter sometimes with an undesired outcome, but that's what you can expect when your pushing (or even cross) the limits. Actually, the whole midfield has to race a race as if it were their last one.

Another thing that's very remarkable this year is that all podiums without Lewis have been very .. pleasurable. Guys congratulate, laugh, explain what was hard or funny or interesting.
But as soon as Lewis enters such a gathering/room, things are immediately pretty weird, not always but sometimes even toxic ?
I just really don't like these psychologic shenanigans .. there's no need for.

[JPBD1990]

That's just excuse. Some of the drivers run whole sprint race on softs, and he saved mediums? He was not faster than Max on the end of the race. Max just didn't need to push anymore...

Nope it isn't an excuse, it's what happened, both because of comments from Verstappen, and because of comments from Horner, and because that's what the data shows.

https://i.imgur.com/0PUACHb.jpeg

Lap 5 (VER best lap) vs Lap 15 (far enough into the race, but losing ground to LEC).

Engine RPM is the same, he actually brakes later in most corners, there's no lift and coast, throttle on/off times are the same except... in the fast corners, right where you expect to pay when your front tires are falling off. Lap 15 he actually gets to higher max speed than lap 5.

So once again... No, he's not cruising, he's suffering a little bit from tires deg.

EDIT: also lap 15 isn't a bad lap from VER at all, lap 17, 18 and 19 are worse or much worse laps.

The 2 cars are so well matched that the 2 of them had the exact same time on lap 11, both cars did 1:9.057.
At the end of the race LEC was able to still hit 1:8.996 at lap 18 and generally lapping in low 1:9s while VER was more in the mid 1:9s.

But you know... never let facts get in the way of a good story.

Dialtone you da real MVP of this forum. Actual technical analysis and information instead of fanboys worshipping their faves and denigrating anything and anyone else. Thanks!