2022 Austrian Grand Prix - Spielberg, July 08 - 10

[Mr5in1]

I understand Mick ran wide and over the white lines repeatedly in the sprint race at turn 8.

Are the track limits monitored differently between qualy and the races??

[dialtone]

I understand Mick ran wide and over the white lines repeatedly in the sprint race at turn 8.

Are the track limits monitored differently between qualy and the races??

Race Control has been terrible this year. The primary difference is that you get warnings first and then are DQd after 3 warnings. I don't know if Mick got warnings though.

[xaero]

Get it posted up, or a video. Even better.

I can’t see how anyone can even attempt to defend Hamilton’s move to pushing Perez over.
Guess behind some fans rose tinted glasses, he can never do anything wrong and it’s lays someone else’s fault.

1100 posts in 7 months and 7 upvotes (and mostly for just sharing a tweet), Max Verstappen avatar, and the only one with a problem here. Yeah, I can read the room…

Having actually raced in motorsports, this was nothing.

Careful, you'll get a board warning!

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What tyres do the teams have left for the race tomorrow?

just based on my own notes, but should be more or less accurate (tyre age per set in brackets):

[InsaneX_Badger]

How long could a set of softs realistically last in the race before the deg is too high?

[wogx]

Worst case he forced him to ride the white line, so the move was perfectly judged.

Perez was on the limit with that white line, but that's not a problem for me there. The overlapping wheels are. If there had been a bigger speed difference between them, it wouldn't have ended nicely for both of them.

If Hamilton had been 10 cm more to the left, for me it would have been a perfect, aggressive but safe ride. With wheels overlapping... It's excessive aggressive

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How long could a set of softs realistically last in the race before the deg is too high?

there's a graph on the F1.com website. According to that, it's totally stable till lap 25, but on from 30, they lose 10+s per lap

[ringo]

Worst case he forced him to ride the white line, so the move was perfectly judged.

Perez was on the limit with that white line, but that's not a problem for me there. The overlapping wheels are. If there had been a bigger speed difference between them, it wouldn't have ended nicely for both of them.

If Hamilton had been 10 cm more to the left, for me it would have been a perfect, aggressive but safe ride. With wheels overlapping... It's excessive aggressive

It's called skill.

[wogx]

Even goat can't control that second car - that's the problem. Thankfully, both drivers drove out safely from that situation

[Noble29]

That's just excuse. Some of the drivers run whole sprint race on softs, and he saved mediums? He was not faster than Max on the end of the race. Max just didn't need to push anymore...

Nope it isn't an excuse, it's what happened, both because of comments from Verstappen, and because of comments from Horner, and because that's what the data shows.

https://i.imgur.com/0PUACHb.jpeg

Lap 5 (VER best lap) vs Lap 15 (far enough into the race, but losing ground to LEC).

Engine RPM is the same, he actually brakes later in most corners, there's no lift and coast, throttle on/off times are the same except... in the fast corners, right where you expect to pay when your front tires are falling off. Lap 15 he actually gets to higher max speed than lap 5.

So once again... No, he's not cruising, he's suffering a little bit from tires deg.

EDIT: also lap 15 isn't a bad lap from VER at all, lap 17, 18 and 19 are worse or much worse laps.

The 2 cars are so well matched that the 2 of them had the exact same time on lap 11, both cars did 1:9.057.
At the end of the race LEC was able to still hit 1:8.996 at lap 18 and generally lapping in low 1:9s while VER was more in the mid 1:9s.

But you know... never let facts get in the way of a good story.

Dialtone you da real MVP of this forum. Actual technical analysis and information instead of fanboys worshipping their faves and denigrating anything and anyone else. Thanks!

+1. Real breath of fresh air

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[djones]

If the tyres could actually do 25 laps while maintaining performance then most people would have used it in the sprint where they also had less fuel.

[darkpino]

I'd say he's far from ready to retire ..
But to me it appears he's relearning to actually race this year (for obvious reasons), as the Merc is no longer in it's own (separate) league and yanking away into the distance on every occasion. Especially in the first few races he was really quick in letting his head down, which was stupid. Understandable, but stupid .. as it somehow cried entitlement.
Anyway, as of late Mercs are starting to maybe step into the two-way fight, and now he starts racing once again. Elbows out when needed, taking more and more riscs. The latter sometimes with an undesired outcome, but that's what you can expect when your pushing (or even cross) the limits. Actually, the whole midfield has to race a race as if it were their last one.

Another thing that's very remarkable this year is that all podiums without Lewis have been very .. pleasurable. Guys congratulate, laugh, explain what was hard or funny or interesting.
But as soon as Lewis enters such a gathering/room, things are immediately pretty weird, not always but sometimes even toxic ?
I just really don't like these psychologic shenanigans .. there's no need for.

It’s funny you mention that. It’s something we’ve been discussing also between friends. I think last year a lot more took place then we’ll maybe ever know but for me it’s pretty clear LH colleagues don’t want any of him anymore

Regarding his racecraft… let’s just agree to disagree lol. I agree withstood about Alonso though!!

[Mandrake]

This forum is so entertaining. Last week it was Gaslys fault for being in a place he shouldn't be (where it was Russell moving over), this week as Hamilton finds himself in position of Gasly its suddenly not Hamilton being in a position he should not be in. Very entertaining.

Albon pushing off Vettel not getting any penalty and people commenting Vettel should have left more space.... There was more than a cars width on the inside. If Vettel went any wider he would not make the exit of the turn. Albon understeered into Vettel....

[chrisc90]

Anyone got a weather report?