2022 Scuderia Ferrari F1 Team

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dialtone wrote:
10 Jul 2022, 17:04
mendis wrote:
10 Jul 2022, 16:40
Is the team risking too much with the engine? Reliability since Spain is really bad. Is it not wise to sacrifice some speed to manage reliability.
This isn't really an engine power track, barely make 300kph in the straights. Ferrari was ahead because of better balance and better front tire wear. The engine blow up is likely the same thing that blew up in Spain for Charles.

Reliability is what it is...
Didn’t we hear the turbo spoiling down in both those failures? Don’t think we seen a onboard from sainz but I’d be pressed to believe it was similar to that. More likely the failure for Charles in Baku is more similar.
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JPower wrote:
10 Jul 2022, 17:02
Sainz playing games? What are you talking about?
I don't have anything against Leclerc or Sainz by the way. You don't remember Sainz calling the strategy from the car in Monaco for example? Or overruling a team order to drop 10 car lengths back in Silverstone (it's his right to ignore a dumb team order to a point, though it is Ferrari and Ferrari is always right of course!)?

Sainz is entitled to do things he believes in his best interest. Ferrari are likewise entitled to play it straight with identical strategies, car in front pits first, second car pits one lap later -- nice and easy no ambiguity. :)

Heck Ferrari are equally guilty of playing games! I recall many times Raikkonen being left out on track losing 2-3 seconds per lap with aging tyres, presumably being asked to act as a rolling road block. :)
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chrisc90 wrote:
10 Jul 2022, 17:06
dialtone wrote:
10 Jul 2022, 17:04
mendis wrote:
10 Jul 2022, 16:40
Is the team risking too much with the engine? Reliability since Spain is really bad. Is it not wise to sacrifice some speed to manage reliability.
This isn't really an engine power track, barely make 300kph in the straights. Ferrari was ahead because of better balance and better front tire wear. The engine blow up is likely the same thing that blew up in Spain for Charles.

Reliability is what it is...
Didn’t we hear the turbo spoiling down in both those failures? Don’t think we seen a onboard from sainz but I’d be pressed to believe it was similar to that. More likely the failure for Charles in Baku is more similar.
The failure in baku was an engine valve blowing up and ruining a turbo, they never had that failure in engine development on the dyno. Obviously possible but extremely unlikely, given the fire it's more likely an overheat situation which broke the engine, probably MGU-H too.

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JordanMugen wrote:
10 Jul 2022, 17:07
JPower wrote:
10 Jul 2022, 17:02
Sainz playing games? What are you talking about?
I don't have anything against Leclerc or Sainz by the way. You don't remember Sainz calling the strategy from the car in Monaco for example? Or overruling a team order to drop 10 car lengths back in Silverstone (it's his right to ignore a dumb team order to a point, though it is Ferrari and Ferrari is always right of course!)?
Those aren’t games and arguably were the right call for the situation.

No need to make any calls nor was there any pressure situation with ambiguity this race. It was extremely straightforward.

“Playing games” is not an accurate description and sounds ridiculous in context.
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Yeah just went on the onboard of Sainz on F1TV, it's at 1:15:20 for others that want to check it, and yeah it's the same as Barcelona. Turbo spooled down and overheated.

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dialtone wrote:
10 Jul 2022, 17:11
Yeah just went on the onboard of Sainz on F1TV, it's at 1:15:20 for others that want to check it, and yeah it's the same as Barcelona. Turbo spooled down and overheated.
I’m guessing a 4th PU for France?

Should be able to make his way through the field there.

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dialtone wrote:
10 Jul 2022, 17:11
Yeah just went on the onboard of Sainz on F1TV, it's at 1:15:20 for others that want to check it, and yeah it's the same as Barcelona. Turbo spooled down and overheated.
Likely PU damage aswell then, given they had to ‘make a engine’ of PU and turbo for Charles.
Would love to know what exited the engine covers.
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JPower wrote:
10 Jul 2022, 17:13
dialtone wrote:
10 Jul 2022, 17:11
Yeah just went on the onboard of Sainz on F1TV, it's at 1:15:20 for others that want to check it, and yeah it's the same as Barcelona. Turbo spooled down and overheated.
I’m guessing a 4th PU for France?

Should be able to make his way through the field there.
Yeah, they won't risk another Baku, plus I doubt this engine is in good shape after all the debris, and will just take a full new engine.

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What is the engine count now?

Is it 2 complete PU’s down for both drivers?
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Even with this blow, Sainz hasn't yet lost as many points with DNFs as Leclerc (44 v 50). Which in his case is both reliability and his own mistakes. Team wall errors for Leclerc in Monaco and UK not even accounted.

If Ferrari know what's good for them, they will prioritise Leclerc from now on. Sadly, it doesn't look like Sainz will accept this on track, even if he gets 50 points behind.
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The engine burned out again and again it came as a surprise. If it was overheating, why didn't engineers see temperatures rise in Barcelona and Austria? I remember exactly how Mercedes engineers told their drivers to slow down in Barcelona due to overheating, Verstappen too. Did they miss installing the sensor in a critical location during development?

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Vanja #66 wrote:
10 Jul 2022, 17:19
Even with this blow, Sainz hasn't yet lost as many points with DNFs as Leclerc (44 v 50). Which in his case is both reliability and his own mistakes. Team wall errors for Leclerc in Monaco and UK not even accounted.

If Ferrari know what's good for them, they will prioritise Leclerc from now on. Sadly, it doesn't look like Sainz will accept this on track, even if he gets 50 points behind.
All Ferrari needs to do really is make quick calls when Charles finds himself behind Carlos while showing superior pace.
I mean had they made the call early in Silverstone the double stacking wouldn't even be an issue at the rate Charles was pulling ahead.
The engine burned out again and again it came as a surprise. If it was overheating, why didn't engineers see temperatures rise in Barcelona and Austria? I remember exactly how Mercedes engineers told their drivers to slow down in Barcelona due to overheating, Verstappen too. Did they miss installing the sensor in a critical location during development?
How the Ferrari blows with no warning is troubling indeed.

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jumpingfish wrote:
10 Jul 2022, 17:30
The engine burned out again and again it came as a surprise. If it was overheating, why didn't engineers see temperatures rise in Barcelona and Austria? I remember exactly how Mercedes engineers told their drivers to slow down in Barcelona due to overheating, Verstappen too. Did they miss installing the sensor in a critical location during development?
Yeah, this is quite concerning.

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Arrghh... Every weekend there is something, either mistakes by the pit wall or reliability issues. Feel sorry for Carlos that was driving very well.

Great stuff by Charles.

Pace of the car was mega today.