2022 Scuderia Ferrari F1 Team

[Sevach]

The engine burned out again and again it came as a surprise. If it was overheating, why didn't engineers see temperatures rise in Barcelona and Austria? I remember exactly how Mercedes engineers told their drivers to slow down in Barcelona due to overheating, Verstappen too. Did they miss installing the sensor in a critical location during development?

Yeah, this is quite concerning.

Ferrari had it's gills open all the way and it still didn't do the trick...

[tpe]

Sensors.
Sensors.
Sensors.

Unless they have no clue which part overheat...

[AR3-GP]

The engine burned out again and again it came as a surprise. If it was overheating, why didn't engineers see temperatures rise in Barcelona and Austria? I remember exactly how Mercedes engineers told their drivers to slow down in Barcelona due to overheating, Verstappen too. Did they miss installing the sensor in a critical location during development?

Yeah, this is quite concerning.

Ferrari had it's gills open all the way and it still didn't do the trick...

it doesnt matter how many gills are open if there is a weakness in the thermal design.

[Shal_Leg16]

one important take away for me or may be even for Charles is....Max is beatable.

Dont get me wrong, max is only human but somehow with all media , pr backing and the bullish attitude Max shows he has been able to create a aura around him ( may be with limited success ) that he is really a monster and its really hard to tame him.

but today Leclerc was sublime and that first overtake was world-class. i feel today Charles beat Max on merit ...it can be a great psychological boost for him.

[Alonsismo]

bad luck for sainz once again...

Australia red flag in qualy when he was on lap for a pole position, cluth problems and a spin... (just less than 100m), at least p2 18 points.
Imola destroyed by ricciardo , minimum p3 15 points
Baku at least 15 points
austria 18 points...

66 points blown away by bad luck

[LM10]

Excellent pace, excellent driver performance, excellent strategy. Absolute shame the PU exploded there. Felt really bad not only for Carlos, but the lost opportunity (yet again). A 1-2 was on the cards and would have been fully deserved pace wise. Also valuable team points lost.

It's getting more and more obvious that the team primarily pushed for pure performance in regards of the PU and had in mind to solve reliability issues later. I just hope that it won't be a too significant or a defining factor in the championship fight.

[Shal_Leg16]

bad luck for sainz once again...

Australia red flag in qualy when he was on lap for a pole position, cluth problems and a spin... (just less than 100m), at least p2 18 points.
Imola destroyed by ricciardo , minimum p3 15 points
Baku at least 15 points
austria 18 points...

66 points blown away by bad luck

there is no doubt Sainz had issues but the 1st two you pointed out are on him.

in every session driver has 2 runs to register a time, red flag incident happen on 1st run. 2nd run he could have went for a safe lap which with the speed of Ferrari would still put him on 4th. he went for glory pushed it too hard.

Second incident the spin, again we all know he got problems on start dropped down to 14th something, still with that car on that track he could have easily recovered to finish in top 6. He again showed desperation and went for a pass that never was. both incident he helped his own downfall. there was chance to recover unlike sunday there was no way back.

[Andres125sx]

Even with this blow, Sainz hasn't yet lost as many points with DNFs as Leclerc (44 v 50). Which in his case is both reliability and his own mistakes. Team wall errors for Leclerc in Monaco and UK not even accounted.

If Ferrari know what's good for them, they will prioritise Leclerc from now on. Sadly, it doesn't look like Sainz will accept this on track, even if he gets 50 points behind.

Disagree about the picture you explain about points lost, Sainz has lost a lot due to luck, and Lecrerc has lost some significant due to his own mistakes too.

Any reason to state Sainz will not accept TOs, even when he has always been an extremelly fair team player?

[Andres125sx]

The title fight was looking exciting... until Sainz PU blew up. With a strong Ferrari with both drivers beating Max there was an oportunity, both in the WDC and WCC, but for some reason (poor strategy or poor reliability) they can´t have a clean GP with both cars in front of RBR

Maybe Lecrerc can virtually fight for the title for some GPs, but with Ferrari lack of reliability I´m afraid it´s just a dream, as they´re going to take penalties sooner or later

[Andi76]

I really wonder how Ferrari, THE team that used to be the first to put their money on one driver, refuses to do this now.

Ferrari operated with equal number one drivers in 2007 and 2008, one of their equal lead drivers won a title by 1 point, the other lost one by 1 point.

Of course and i did not forget about that. But Ferrari was also the team that put their money on one driver in the years 1996-2006. And Binotto was part of that team. And i would have expected the team to go into that direction.

[Vanja #66]

Disagree about the picture you explain about points lost, Sainz has lost a lot due to luck, and Lecrerc has lost some significant due to his own mistakes too.

Any reason to state Sainz will not accept TOs, even when he has always been an extremelly fair team player?

What luck? He ran out of P9 in Melbourne - 2 points. He qualified poorly in Misano due to his own crash, got into risky position in the race and was taken out from P4 - 12 points. Azerbaijan was engine DNF from P4 - 12 points. Austria was engine DNF from P2 - 18 points. That's a total of 44 points.

Leclerc lost 50 points from 2 engine DNFs alone. In Monaco he lost 13 points with pit wall error, just like Silverstone. In Silverstone, Sainz got + 7 points because of that. So actually, Leclerc lost a total of 83 points to Sainz with no fault of his own - twice as much as Sainz lost (which was in part his own fault too). Even those things out and Leclerc should be 76 points ahead of Sainz, instead of only 37. This would reflect their skill levels quite well actually.

Ferrari let Vettel and Raikkonen race in '17 and '18. They might not have won those two titles anyway, but they sure shot themselves in the foot because of that. This season, there is an even bigger difference in driver skill than between Vettel and Raikkonen. If they continue to let these two race, they really don't deserve neither title.

And if Sainz keeps refusing team strategy like in Monaco and Silverstone, he doesn't deserve his seat. No wonder Helmut Marko described his stay with Max at STR as toxic. I'd rather see Bottas there, even if he might be a slightly slower driver.

[Shal_Leg16]

Disagree about the picture you explain about points lost, Sainz has lost a lot due to luck, and Lecrerc has lost some significant due to his own mistakes too.

Any reason to state Sainz will not accept TOs, even when he has always been an extremelly fair team player?

What luck? He ran out of P9 in Melbourne - 2 points. He qualified poorly in Misano due to his own crash, got into risky position in the race and was taken out from P4 - 12 points. Azerbaijan was engine DNF from P4 - 12 points. Austria was engine DNF from P2 - 18 points. That's a total of 44 points.

Leclerc lost 50 points from 2 engine DNFs alone. In Monaco he lost 13 points with pit wall error, just like Silverstone. In Silverstone, Sainz got + 7 points because of that. So actually, Leclerc lost a total of 83 points to Sainz with no fault of his own - twice as much as Sainz lost (which was in part his own fault too). Even those things out and Leclerc should be 76 points ahead of Sainz, instead of only 37. This would reflect their skill levels quite well actually.

Ferrari let Vettel and Raikkonen race in '17 and '18. They might not have won those two titles anyway, but they sure shot themselves in the foot because of that. This season, there is an even bigger difference in driver skill than between Vettel and Raikkonen. If they continue to let these two race, they really don't deserve neither title.

And if Sainz keeps refusing team strategy like in Monaco and Silverstone, he doesn't deserve his seat. No wonder Helmut Marko described his stay with Max at STR as toxic. I'd rather see Bottas there, even if he might be a slightly slower driver.

agree most of that....but i simply cant understand why Sainz side of pit ( including his fans ) demand a equal footing when its clear as day light that he is not at Leclerc's level. To advocate equality for two drivers who are not on equal footing sply in a sports like F1 is ...beyond madness but then the fanboi in them doesnt give a damn.

Add to that the hypocrisy....they ridiculed and defebded sainz for refusing the 10 car length strategy .... claiming why should sainz do it , but are perfectly fine with Ferrari blunder of pitting Sainz on fresh tyres and leaving the race leader on old rubber.

[Andres125sx]

Disagree about the picture you explain about points lost, Sainz has lost a lot due to luck, and Lecrerc has lost some significant due to his own mistakes too.

Any reason to state Sainz will not accept TOs, even when he has always been an extremelly fair team player?

What luck? He ran out of P9 in Melbourne - 2 points. He qualified poorly in Misano due to his own crash, got into risky position in the race and was taken out from P4 - 12 points. Azerbaijan was engine DNF from P4 - 12 points. Austria was engine DNF from P2 - 18 points. That's a total of 44 points.

Leclerc lost 50 points from 2 engine DNFs alone. In Monaco he lost 13 points with pit wall error, just like Silverstone. In Silverstone, Sainz got + 7 points because of that. So actually, Leclerc lost a total of 83 points to Sainz with no fault of his own - twice as much as Sainz lost (which was in part his own fault too). Even those things out and Leclerc should be 76 points ahead of Sainz, instead of only 37. This would reflect their skill levels quite well actually.

Ferrari let Vettel and Raikkonen race in '17 and '18. They might not have won those two titles anyway, but they sure shot themselves in the foot because of that. This season, there is an even bigger difference in driver skill than between Vettel and Raikkonen. If they continue to let these two race, they really don't deserve neither title.

And if Sainz keeps refusing team strategy like in Monaco and Silverstone, he doesn't deserve his seat. No wonder Helmut Marko described his stay with Max at STR as toxic. I'd rather see Bottas there, even if he might be a slightly slower driver.

Repeating false info and nauseam will never make it true mate.

Sainz has always been a true team player, accepting TOs in every team he's been, even in STR at Max rookie season. Marko is just a moron who can't say a single sensible word

But when the team fails miserably on their strategy decision, he's smart enough to say it. Even Ferrari has repeated Sainz is a team player and in the only 2 occasions when he did not follow TOs, he was right and the team finally did agree with his decisions, as in both situations Ferrari scored more points thanks to Sainz

[Vanja #66]

Repeating false info and nauseam will never make it true mate.

Sainz has always been a true team player, accepting TOs in every team he's been, even in STR at Max rookie season. Marko is just a moron who can't say a single sensible word

But when the team fails miserably on their strategy decision, he's smart enough to say it. Even Ferrari has repeated Sainz is a team player and in the only 2 occasions when he did not follow TOs, he was right and the team finally did agree with his decisions, as in both situations Ferrari scored more points thanks to Sainz

Ignoring facts doesn't change them. Glad you agree about their relative skill levels, though.

[CRazyLemon]

Even with this blow, Sainz hasn't yet lost as many points with DNFs as Leclerc (44 v 50). Which in his case is both reliability and his own mistakes. Team wall errors for Leclerc in Monaco and UK not even accounted.

If Ferrari know what's good for them, they will prioritise Leclerc from now on. Sadly, it doesn't look like Sainz will accept this on track, even if he gets 50 points behind.

Disagree about the picture you explain about points lost, Sainz has lost a lot due to luck, and Lecrerc has lost some significant due to his own mistakes too.

Any reason to state Sainz will not accept TOs, even when he has always been an extremelly fair team player?

1 mistake, P3 to P6. It's 7 points.