2022 Scuderia Ferrari F1 Team

[Mr.S]

Sainz is toxic & needs to be fired - Mick can do the No.2 driver role or maybe Ferrari will find someone else. Without the early Sainz scrap Leclerc could have challenged Verstappen today !

[Shal_Leg16]

extremly dirty leclerc defending from sainz...

thats not acceptable

Nonsense.

there driving is clean , hearts arent. Not gonna last long

[Alonsismo]

extremly dirty leclerc defending from sainz...

thats not acceptable

W...what? It was as clean as it gets, from both sides (albeit still unnecessary)

leclerc forced sainz to brake or to go outside the track. thats not legal by 2022 rules.

[Shal_Leg16]

Sainz is toxic & needs to be fired - Mick can do the No.2 driver role or maybe Ferrari will find someone else. Without the early Sainz scrap Leclerc could have challenged Verstappen today !

see if this continues .... there is only one winner - Sainz.

and thats not because he is any better then Charles but because he is the only one getting near his target.

there are 3 parties here. Ferrari, Charles & Sainz . all 3 have their respective tragets . Ferrari wants to win title, Leclerc wants to win title, Sainz ? from what it looks like all he wants is match his team mate , so if this is how it continues or should i say " Ferrari lets this continue " 2 of the 3 are gonna lose at the end and we all know who.

[mendis]

Was there any update that has suddenly made Sainz so much competitive?

[Steven]

Sainz is toxic & needs to be fired - Mick can do the No.2 driver role or maybe Ferrari will find someone else. Without the early Sainz scrap Leclerc could have challenged Verstappen today !

see if this continues .... there is only one winner - Sainz.

and thats not because he is any better then Charles but because he is the only one getting near his target.

there are 3 parties here. Ferrari, Charles & Sainz . all 3 have their respective tragets . Ferrari wants to win title, Leclerc wants to win title, Sainz ? from what it looks like all he wants is match his team mate , so if this is how it continues or should i say " Ferrari lets this continue " 2 of the 3 are gonna lose at the end and we all know who.

Tell me then, what would you do if you were Carlos Sainz?
And why do you suggest he doesn't aim for the championship?

Sainz is doing a pretty good job. If they are free to fight, then he can attack if he thinks he can pass. Why not?
And also, Sainz is in a pretty good position in the championship so there is no reason for Ferrari to choose one driver over the other. On what basis? Yes Leclerc is better in quali so far, but no points are awarded for that.

Those two drivers are fighting for their spot, knowing it might be tight throughout the season.

[ferkan]

Sainz is toxic & needs to be fired - Mick can do the No.2 driver role or maybe Ferrari will find someone else. Without the early Sainz scrap Leclerc could have challenged Verstappen today !

see if this continues .... there is only one winner - Sainz.

and thats not because he is any better then Charles but because he is the only one getting near his target.

there are 3 parties here. Ferrari, Charles & Sainz . all 3 have their respective tragets . Ferrari wants to win title, Leclerc wants to win title, Sainz ? from what it looks like all he wants is match his team mate , so if this is how it continues or should i say " Ferrari lets this continue " 2 of the 3 are gonna lose at the end and we all know who.

Tell me then, what would you do if you were Carlos Sainz?
And why do you suggest he doesn't aim for the championship?

Sainz is doing a pretty good job. If they are free to fight, then he can attack if he thinks he can pass. Why not?
And also, Sainz is in a pretty good position in the championship so there is no reason for Ferrari to choose one driver over the other. On what basis? Yes Leclerc is better in quali so far, but no points are awarded for that.

Those two drivers are fighting for their spot, knowing it might be tight throughout the season.

Well, Leclerc is doing considerably better in races as well. Its a bit hard to extend your lead when team takes wins of from you (Monaco and Silverstone) and you lose from lead twice duo to DMF.

[Shal_Leg16]

Sainz is toxic & needs to be fired - Mick can do the No.2 driver role or maybe Ferrari will find someone else. Without the early Sainz scrap Leclerc could have challenged Verstappen today !

see if this continues .... there is only one winner - Sainz.

and thats not because he is any better then Charles but because he is the only one getting near his target.

there are 3 parties here. Ferrari, Charles & Sainz . all 3 have their respective tragets . Ferrari wants to win title, Leclerc wants to win title, Sainz ? from what it looks like all he wants is match his team mate , so if this is how it continues or should i say " Ferrari lets this continue " 2 of the 3 are gonna lose at the end and we all know who.

Tell me then, what would you do if you were Carlos Sainz?
And why do you suggest he doesn't aim for the championship?

Sainz is doing a pretty good job. If they are free to fight, then he can attack if he thinks he can pass. Why not?
And also, Sainz is in a pretty good position in the championship so there is no reason for Ferrari to choose one driver over the other. On what basis? Yes Leclerc is better in quali so far, but no points are awarded for that.

Those two drivers are fighting for their spot, knowing it might be tight throughout the season.

first of all...there is enough proof till now to conclude " Who is Fatser and better "
Just because Sainz tried a pass on leclerc in million years doesn't change that. least for me that debate is over. so there is enough basis for Ferrari to do it " if only they have balls "

Secondly ....why should they do that .

if for a second you put down those sainz tinted glasses you will realise it that its not a Ideal, equal for all...SWJ sport. there is only going to be one race winner, one drivers champ, one constructors winner. so end of the day they have to prioritise one and Leclerc is the best bet. most importantantly their main rival in constructors and driver Redbull - have already sort it out... they have alredy chosen one driver.. when that driver sticks it on pole on Saturday, their whole team works as a unit to convert that pole into a win. they dont take 8 - 10 laps to decide team orders. within a lap or too there comes a message " you are on different strategy ". Most Important point is they cant fight with RB & Max with this idealistic ( stupid ) aproach you are supporting.

If thay have any real ambition to compete they will have to choose one. if you think Ferrari should prioritize giving Sainz equal and fair chance over titles and wins then... seriously you need to rethink this sport.

[Shal_Leg16]

see if this continues .... there is only one winner - Sainz.

and thats not because he is any better then Charles but because he is the only one getting near his target.

there are 3 parties here. Ferrari, Charles & Sainz . all 3 have their respective tragets . Ferrari wants to win title, Leclerc wants to win title, Sainz ? from what it looks like all he wants is match his team mate , so if this is how it continues or should i say " Ferrari lets this continue " 2 of the 3 are gonna lose at the end and we all know who.

Tell me then, what would you do if you were Carlos Sainz?
And why do you suggest he doesn't aim for the championship?

Sainz is doing a pretty good job. If they are free to fight, then he can attack if he thinks he can pass. Why not?
And also, Sainz is in a pretty good position in the championship so there is no reason for Ferrari to choose one driver over the other. On what basis? Yes Leclerc is better in quali so far, but no points are awarded for that.

Those two drivers are fighting for their spot, knowing it might be tight throughout the season.

Well, Leclerc is doing considerably better in races as well. Its a bit hard to extend your lead when team takes wins of from you (Monaco and Silverstone) and you lose from lead twice duo to DMF.

The main point of their argument comes from a thought that...Sainz is as good as Leclerc.

Even in his rebuttal he said - Yes Leclerc is better in quali so far, he is trying to imply that leclerc is only good in qualy ..in race Sainz is as good ...while we have enough proof how much fatser Lerclerc is even on raceday.

imo this debate is loseing its touch with facts and reality now.

[Alonsismo]

Sainz is better than Leclerc and will end the season again with more points

[JordanMugen]

its already brocken. its not just lasy weekend. its obvious as day and night , main target Sainz has is beating Leclerc , Charles would be a brianless zombie to not understand or feel it. this wont last long.

Sainz wants to prove he is not a number two driver, and since Ferrari have (apparently) not told him he is employed as the number two driver shouldn't he thus be entitled to try to prove that?

Obviously for Leclerc this is a disadvantage compared to Verstappen where Perez is well aware he is employed as the number two driver and literally gets out of the throttle to avoid overtaking Verstappen!

If Ferrari want Sainz to defer to Leclerc at all times with a clear number two position they need to tell him that, but it doesn't seem like Ferrari have told Sainz that at all. They even accept Sainz's overrules on strategy and rejecting team orders (so quite the contrary).

Some may view this lack of Leclerc priority as foolish and unhelpful to Leclerc's WDC ambitions which Ferrari presumably support, but it what it is, Ferrari is more important the star driver after all (hence Binotto's finger waving at Leclerc!).

[Shal_Leg16]

Sainz is better than Leclerc and will end the season again with more points

yes and Latifi is better than Max. will end the season with more points. beat that.

[JordanMugen]

I really wonder how Ferrari, THE team that used to be the first to put their money on one driver, refuses to do this now.

Ferrari operated with equal number one drivers in 2007 and 2008, one of their equal lead drivers won a title by 1 point, the other lost one by 1 point.

[Shal_Leg16]

its already brocken. its not just lasy weekend. its obvious as day and night , main target Sainz has is beating Leclerc , Charles would be a brianless zombie to not understand or feel it. this wont last long.

Sainz wants to prove he is not a number two driver, and since Ferrari have (apparently) not told him he is employed as the number two driver shouldn't he thus be entitled to try to prove that?

Obviously for Leclerc this is a disadvantage compared to Verstappen where Perez is well aware he is employed as the number two driver and literally gets out of the throttle to avoid overtaking Verstappen!

If Ferrari want Sainz to defer to Leclerc at all times with a clear number two position they need to tell him that, but it doesn't seem like Ferrari have told Sainz that at all. They even accept Sainz's overrules on strategy and rejecting team orders (so quite the contrary).

Some may view this lack of Leclerc priority as foolish and unhelpful to Leclerc's WDC ambitions which Ferrari presumably support, but it what it is, Ferrari is more important the star driver after all (hence Binotto's finger waving at Leclerc!).

disagree with the last line, imo ferrari need Leclerc more not the other way around. if tomorrow leclerc throws his toys...imo Mercedes will be more than willing to take him. But Ferrari have limited options. With guys like sainz they will never ever never win a title. obviously im not saying it will destroy the company but imo very limited drivers have that champion caliber in them
..Leclerc is one of them.. having just a good car isnt enough you need that spl driver too.

[Shal_Leg16]

I really wonder how Ferrari, THE team that used to be the first to put their money on one driver, refuses to do this now.

Ferrari operated with equal number one drivers in 2007 and 2008, one of their equal lead drivers won a title by 1 point, the other lost one by 1 point.

dude that was a fluke, dont make an exception a general rule.