2022 Austrian Grand Prix - Spielberg, July 08 - 10

[tpe]

Maybe put together a bit of a thought about it, then write it down and then we can discuss it.

Sounds like you're talking to a mirror. Verstappen was held up quite a bit even after several laps on the tires, when they could have brought Leclerc in front of him on fresher tires. Would have been less risky.

And give up a huge tire advantage?
Makes no sense.

[f1jcw]

Last year Ham got away with all the filthy moves, so I don't know what you're talking about Ver tactics.

Seriously? Did I watch F1 in a alternate dimension

[xaero]

Last year Ham got away with all the filthy moves, so I don't know what you're talking about Ver tactics.

[mzso]

I did not watch the race. But Leclerc overtook Max three times in one race. Surprised Max got caught out so many times. If it were Hamilton some crashing would have taken place to stop him.
Is Max too friendly with Charles? Because he was beaten soundly today if I go by the highlights.

Also how did Hamilton get on the Podium, who did he overtake?

IMO Hamilton and Verstappen don't work well together, Especially since Ham sent him to the hospital. Verstappen and Leclerc both have more respect and better feel for each other.

But maybe even more significantly, Verstappen doesn't need to drive desperately. His car is on top much of the time, he has a comfortable gap to Leclerc. He can afford letting it go and wait for a race when the RB performs better. Also he can count on Ferrari blunders, both technically and strategically.

[mzso]

Maybe put together a bit of a thought about it, then write it down and then we can discuss it.

Sounds like you're talking to a mirror. Verstappen was held up quite a bit even after several laps on the tires, when they could have brought Leclerc in front of him on fresher tires. Would have been less risky.

And give up a huge tire advantage?
Makes no sense.

Track position, with better pace, and degradation, for a little bit less less great of a tire advantage.

[Hammerfist]

Then where do the +41s after 71laps fit in that narrative ? Is all that part of the dra train ?
Come on .. still a very long way to go. And the fact that they weren't upfront, well that's part of that same package, isn't it ?

Do I really have to explain that to you? The main reason Verstappen was far ahead is because of where lewis started and how long it took him to pass the slower cars. The other reason is that Verstappen built a lot of his gap while he was on fresher tires. But when Ham pitted he was catching max initially all the time and catching him up fast, but he was too far down the road to make any meaningful impact. What do you think that would have meant if they had started the race closer to each other? Even at the end, when they were all on mediums Hamilton was on older mediums.

The scenario I was describing involved Hamilton not starting miles behind. The same way the Ferraris put pressure on Max, it would have been the same with Hamilton too. Max's management of the tires was bad today. No ifs and buts about it.

It's almost as if you people don't understand tire degradation and the effect it can have in a race. Even Toto said that the race pace was good even though the result and final gap doesn't show it. Please educate yourself.

The analysis dialtone did of lap times disagrees with you.

Let me remind you:


https://i.imgur.com/4bF4ZWu_d.webp?maxw ... ity=medium

What laps were Hamilton faster again and ‘catching him up fast’?

I cannot read this graph on my phone. When the lap times get released from en.mclarenf1 then I will gladly respond.

It seemed obvious to me though that the reason why Max pitted the second time was because hamilton was closing in towards his pit window. I'm pretty sure the commentators mentioned it as well. Are you guys too biased to even hear that?

[mzso]

Last year Ham got away with all the filthy moves, so I don't know what you're talking about Ver tactics.

Seriously? Did I watch F1 in a alternate dimension

Or you were watching but not seeing.

[chrisc90]

Do I really have to explain that to you? The main reason Verstappen was far ahead is because of where lewis started and how long it took him to pass the slower cars. The other reason is that Verstappen built a lot of his gap while he was on fresher tires. But when Ham pitted he was catching max initially all the time and catching him up fast, but he was too far down the road to make any meaningful impact. What do you think that would have meant if they had started the race closer to each other? Even at the end, when they were all on mediums Hamilton was on older mediums.

The scenario I was describing involved Hamilton not starting miles behind. The same way the Ferraris put pressure on Max, it would have been the same with Hamilton too. Max's management of the tires was bad today. No ifs and buts about it.

It's almost as if you people don't understand tire degradation and the effect it can have in a race. Even Toto said that the race pace was good even though the result and final gap doesn't show it. Please educate yourself.

The analysis dialtone did of lap times disagrees with you.

Let me remind you:


https://i.imgur.com/4bF4ZWu_d.webp?maxw ... ity=medium

What laps were Hamilton faster again and ‘catching him up fast’?

I cannot read this graph on my phone. When the lap times get released from en.mclarenf1 then I will gladly respond.

It seemed obvious to me though that the reason why Max pitted the second time was because hamilton was closing in towards his pit window. I'm pretty sure the commentators mentioned it as well. Are you guys too biased to even hear that?

https://m.imgur.com/4bF4ZWu?r

Any better for you with a direct link?


https://www.fia.com/events/fia-formula- ... nformation


Plenty info on lap timing there aswell
Hamilton was faster than max on a handful of laps. He was never ever closing in at a rapid rate.

No bias at all, just the facts of the lap times which show a completely different story to what your suggesting.

Are YOU to bias to make that remark without knowing the facts; as you said.

[dialtone]

Maybe put together a bit of a thought about it, then write it down and then we can discuss it.

Sounds like you're talking to a mirror. Verstappen was held up quite a bit even after several laps on the tires, when they could have brought Leclerc in front of him on fresher tires. Would have been less risky.

So, they should have thrown away their tire degradation advantage, potentially even a potential VSC/SC pit stop gaining them another 10+ seconds all to avoid a super easy overtake?

[Tvetovnato]

The fact is year after year they try to go around the outside of turn 4 and the corner narrows. And every year they end in the gravel. Maybe they should learn and move on

Exactly this.

[mzso]

So this Parc Fermé breach is because the Physical therapists entering, not even weighing issues... And they got suspended fines. How pointless and farcical.

[chrisc90]

So this Parc Fermé breach is because the Physical therapists entering, not even weighing issues... And they got suspended fines. How pointless and farcical.

Fia need to pay the wages and have bonus Christmas dinner with some money

[RZS10]

So all drivers on the podium got a suspended 10000€ fine because their physios interacted with them prior to weighing ... another one of those "look ma, we enforce the rules" power moves by the FIA officials which can only further piss off the drivers.

The only serious threat in those docs is the potential exclusion (revoked passes) of the physios.

[mzso]

Maybe put together a bit of a thought about it, then write it down and then we can discuss it.

Sounds like you're talking to a mirror. Verstappen was held up quite a bit even after several laps on the tires, when they could have brought Leclerc in front of him on fresher tires. Would have been less risky.

So, they should have thrown away their tire degradation advantage, potentially even a potential VSC/SC pit stop gaining them another 10+ seconds all to avoid a super easy overtake?

They still would have had the advantage. And nothing's super-easy against Verstappen.
How would they have gained 10+ seconds with a SC? Surely (well, knowing Ferrari Leclerc might not have...) both would have pitted and came back with fresher tires.

[ringo]

Looked at the Perez Russel incident. Russel was wrong. You could see for a moment where he momentarily freezes his hands to keep the car going wide to the edge of the track. He did not turn into him, but he did not give room which intercepted Perez's line as he was somewhat alongside or even ahead on the corner.