2022 French Grand Prix - Le Castellet, July 22 - 24

[dialtone]

The straights here seem suited to redbull. They should have it easy here.

If I had a penny every time I heard this, I would have no budget cap issues.

[chrisc90]

The straights here seem suited to redbull. They should have it easy here.

Ferrari's new rear wing has flipped that narrative to some extent. Otherwise RB would have walked Austria.

RB should be strong(er) in Sector 2, but Ferrari will be very strong in Sectors 1 and 3.

Did that update bring a bigger DRS flap though? I cant remember. Was Sainz running the new spec wing in Canada, as the RB had the edge on that straight even with no DRS vs Ferrari with DRS

[dialtone]

The straights here seem suited to redbull. They should have it easy here.

Ferrari's new rear wing has flipped that narrative to some extent. Otherwise RB would have walked Austria.

RB should be strong(er) in Sector 2, but Ferrari will be very strong in Sectors 1 and 3.

Did that update bring a bigger DRS flap though? I cant remember. Was Sainz running the new spec wing in Canada, as the RB had the edge on that straight even with no DRS vs Ferrari with DRS

No they didn't have an edge in canada, passing in canada was very hard with these cars, there were 36 overtakes in canada and Leclerc was almost half of them, and no Sainz wasn't running the new rear wing anyway, but it's irrelevant, that's not why he couldn't pass Max, just like Max couldn't pass LEC in Baku.

[LM10]

The straights here seem suited to redbull. They should have it easy here.

Ferrari's new rear wing has flipped that narrative to some extent. Otherwise RB would have walked Austria.

RB should be strong(er) in Sector 2, but Ferrari will be very strong in Sectors 1 and 3.

Did that update bring a bigger DRS flap though? I cant remember. Was Sainz running the new spec wing in Canada, as the RB had the edge on that straight even with no DRS vs Ferrari with DRS

The claim that Ferrari with DRS was slower than RBR without DRS sounds so unrealistic that I don’t even need to check it to comfortably tell that this is not true.

[dialtone]

Ferrari's new rear wing has flipped that narrative to some extent. Otherwise RB would have walked Austria.

RB should be strong(er) in Sector 2, but Ferrari will be very strong in Sectors 1 and 3.

Did that update bring a bigger DRS flap though? I cant remember. Was Sainz running the new spec wing in Canada, as the RB had the edge on that straight even with no DRS vs Ferrari with DRS

The claim that Ferrari with DRS was slower than RBR without DRS sounds so unrealistic that I don’t even need to check it to comfortably tell that this is not true.

Oh wow, I misread the original comment, that is some wild stuff .

[ringo]

The straights here seem suited to redbull. They should have it easy here.

Ferrari's new rear wing has flipped that narrative to some extent. Otherwise RB would have walked Austria.

RB should be strong(er) in Sector 2, but Ferrari will be very strong in Sectors 1 and 3.

RB didn't get to see their potential because of poor setup. Tyre deg remember?

[Vanja #66]

Differences between RB and Ferrari top speed lap-to-lap now depend more on corner exit speed (where battery charge is the biggest difference) than on power and drag. It was completely down to rear wing design early in the season.

[nico5]

RB didn't get to see their potential because of poor setup. Tyre deg remember?

So... tyre deg was why they weren't faster on the straight in neither quali or the race?

RB should be strong(er) in Sector 2, but Ferrari will be very strong in Sectors 1 and 3.

I don't think it's even remotely black and white as some people wanna make it. RB were clearly slower in Monaco but faster in the slow speed at Silverstone and Miami. In Baku they were losing through the castle section in QP but gaining massively every lap in the race. Ferrari were struggling a bit in the medium speed in Austria while they were great through those corners in Spain. It's very much setup-dependant how the two cars (three if you count Merc in for France) perform against one another. Difficult to make predictions before the cars hit the track.

France is mostly mid-to-high speed with some slow speed, which is more towards Spain than Silverstone (only slow and high speed) but with more power-limited sections than Spain, so lower df. Gonna be interesting.

[ringo]

RB didn't get to see their potential because of poor setup. Tyre deg remember?

So... tyre deg was why they weren't faster on the straight in neither quali or the race?

I shouldn't have to explain that to you. If a car doesn't have as much traction and has to brake earlier..
And then what you ignore is the relationship between lap time and the balance of downforce and drag. They may have well biased themselves towards more/less drag, and done so with unforseen tyre deg issues and ended struggling as they did.
Ultimately, the RB18 will show similar advantage as it did in the Austria sprint if it dials in its setup.

[deadhead]

The straights here seem suited to redbull. They should have it easy here.

Ferrari's new rear wing has flipped that narrative to some extent. Otherwise RB would have walked Austria.

RB should be strong(er) in Sector 2, but Ferrari will be very strong in Sectors 1 and 3.

Is the new narrative

RBR wins front limited tracks
Ferrari wins rear limited tracks

?

[godlameroso]

The straights here seem suited to redbull. They should have it easy here.

Ferrari's new rear wing has flipped that narrative to some extent. Otherwise RB would have walked Austria.

RB should be strong(er) in Sector 2, but Ferrari will be very strong in Sectors 1 and 3.

Is the new narrative

RBR wins front limited tracks
Ferrari wins rear limited tracks

?

Austria is front limited, the fronts wore faster than the rears. In fact the rear tires this year are very strong and to make the fronts last requires a more rear biased driving style. You have to be a little more aggressive with the rears to make them wear at the same rate as the fronts, but that technique invites more mistakes. If you just rely on the fronts and try to save the rears you'll end up with understeer as the fronts wear faster than the rears.

[kalinka]

Just get back to basics (Mid-Ohio, Indy car ) :
https://cdn-1.motorsport.com/images/amp ... exande.jpg

I don't think any track-limit policing is required here.

That looks Like multiple disasters waiting to happen at F1 cornering speeds though.

I didn't refer to the runoff area or any of the track safety features. Just delete all curbs and let the other side of the white line be grass or gravel. Track safety can be adjusted to these. Better than car-launching sausage curbs and endless tarmac runoffs.

[mendis]

The straights here seem suited to redbull. They should have it easy here.

Ferrari's new rear wing has flipped that narrative to some extent. Otherwise RB would have walked Austria.

RB should be strong(er) in Sector 2, but Ferrari will be very strong in Sectors 1 and 3.

RB didn't get to see their potential because of poor setup. Tyre deg remember?

Reportedly, rb18 was 10 kg heavier than minimum weight in Austria while Ferrari is now on the mark.

[F1NAC]

Never ever was I thinking that before some races this year, I will be thinking will both Ferraris see the chequered flag. I hope both cars survive this weekend

[Schippke]

Never ever was I thinking that before some races this year, I will be thinking will both Ferraris see the chequered flag. I hope both cars survive this weekend

Agreed; I think anybody backing Ferrari would be hoping 2 cars finish the race... at least that is somewhat guaranteed a solid result if that is the case!

After the last couple of races, I think Ferrari should be able to maintain a slight advance over Red Bull here... Top Speed seems less of a concern now for the SF75 and they seemingly do have a slight cornering advantage. Wonder if many teams will be trying to get their cars optimised ahead of the 'Anti-Porpoising' directive due for Spa.

I wonder if Mercedes will feature more here compared to the last race in Austria and cause Ferrari or Red Bull some headaches.