2022 Scuderia Ferrari F1 Team

[Shal_Leg16]

im more amazed at the comments about - car was slow , then Ferrari's strategic masterclass.

[Andi76]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FY-0BTbXwAE ... ame=medium

You better should read commentaries completely. This is wrong.

Leclerc started and medium and did the 2nd stint on mediums too. Then went hard and soft.

We obviously talk past each other. But thats definetely my bad - what i meant is that Leclerk had only 1 Set of mediums left for pitstops.

[Shal_Leg16]

for Those that says that Binotto is wrong
I would say >>> write to Elkan and offer your services!!!!!
the problems is not Binotto
the car is not enough quick in cold weather !!!! that is a design problem !!!!
do you understand the influence of temperature in racing cars?
do you understand that HAM got the best lap on the same (older red) tires as LEC
please stop blaming the team if you are technical guys!!!
the only critic in my opinion is that RB and MB look have done better improvements after half a season while Ferrari now is behind

you are being either too naive or acting as one.

binotto can go and s*ck his strategists noodle ffs.

at one stage leclerc had clearled off Russell and had a 6sec advantage on him and 10sec on Max . all that with 5 lap tyre advantage. had they not called him for hards and let him drive for 10 laps more and then bring in for softs he would still be at worst 2nd and would have had a run at max with fresher tyres.

and you are telling me the whether was clold ....what else a tornedo ? a cyclone ? utter nonsense. its obvious binotto wont accept it publically that he and his strategic team are clowns.

I agree with what you are saying, but what do you expect Binotto to say in an interview? "Yeah I'm just walking down to sack the strategy team" that's going to create the right morale in the team. They know the team made strategic errors in the season but won't discuss that in an interview.

im ok with binotto saying that publically but kicking their a$$ in meeting room but ...some guys here are actually supporting that BS, there are posts here saying yes car was not good for this race...thats nonsense.

[pipoloko]

for Those that says that Binotto is wrong
I would say >>> write to Elkan and offer your services!!!!!
the problems is not Binotto
the car is not enough quick in cold weather !!!! that is a design problem !!!!
do you understand the influence of temperature in racing cars?
do you understand that HAM got the best lap on the same (older red) tires as LEC
please stop blaming the team if you are technical guys!!!
the only critic in my opinion is that RB and MB look have done better improvements after half a season while Ferrari now is behind

you are being either too naive or acting as one.

binotto can go and s*ck his strategists noodle ffs.

at one stage leclerc had clearled off Russell and had a 6sec advantage on him and 10sec on Max . all that with 5 lap tyre advantage. had they not called him for hards and let him drive for 10 laps more and then bring in for softs he would still be at worst 2nd and would have had a run at max with fresher tyres.

and you are telling me the whether was clold ....what else a tornedo ? a cyclone ? utter nonsense. its obvious binotto wont accept it publically that he and his strategic team are clowns.

how many times did you sit in a pit wall?
at least I did 40 times

[dialtone]

you are being either too naive or acting as one.

binotto can go and s*ck his strategists noodle ffs.

at one stage leclerc had clearled off Russell and had a 6sec advantage on him and 10sec on Max . all that with 5 lap tyre advantage. had they not called him for hards and let him drive for 10 laps more and then bring in for softs he would still be at worst 2nd and would have had a run at max with fresher tyres.

and you are telling me the whether was clold ....what else a tornedo ? a cyclone ? utter nonsense. its obvious binotto wont accept it publically that he and his strategic team are clowns.

I agree with what you are saying, but what do you expect Binotto to say in an interview? "Yeah I'm just walking down to sack the strategy team" that's going to create the right morale in the team. They know the team made strategic errors in the season but won't discuss that in an interview.

im ok with binotto saying that publically but kicking their a$$ in meeting room but ...some guys here are actually supporting that BS, there are posts here saying yes car was not good for this race...thats nonsense.

I think both can be true, Leclerc was strong but their pace wasn't where they expected it to be. Sainz was very slow instead.

[tpe]

I agree with what you are saying, but what do you expect Binotto to say in an interview? "Yeah I'm just walking down to sack the strategy team" that's going to create the right morale in the team. They know the team made strategic errors in the season but won't discuss that in an interview.

Well, how about a:
"I think we miscalculated a few things in both the car's setup and the strategy calls. It's time to regroup and come back stronger after the summer break."

Obviously, you cannot sack the whole strategy department. So, you start with the leader. Because, obviously, he's not able to get his department in order.

(PS: I still think Ferrari runs it's strategy on XLS sheets. It's this bad.

[dialtone]

I agree with what you are saying, but what do you expect Binotto to say in an interview? "Yeah I'm just walking down to sack the strategy team" that's going to create the right morale in the team. They know the team made strategic errors in the season but won't discuss that in an interview.

Well, how about a:
"I think we miscalculated a few things in both the car's setup and the strategy calls. It's time to regroup and come back stronger after the summer break."

Obviously, you cannot sack the whole strategy department. So, you start with the leader. Because, obviously, he's not able to get his department in order.

(PS: I still think Ferrari runs it's strategy on XLS sheets. It's this bad.

IMHO their issue isn't xls, it's that they have, and have had since the start of the season in Jeddah, a bad understanding of tire performance in the race, the moves themselves aren't even that bad, for example had they just given Charles M-S-M stints even without changing when to do them, they probably would have won since he was faster on those tires than Max. But the tire understanding is way off.

[selvam_e2002]

for Those that says that Binotto is wrong
I would say >>> write to Elkan and offer your services!!!!!
the problems is not Binotto
the car is not enough quick in cold weather !!!! that is a design problem !!!!
do you understand the influence of temperature in racing cars?
do you understand that HAM got the best lap on the same (older red) tires as LEC
please stop blaming the team if you are technical guys!!!
the only critic in my opinion is that RB and MB look have done better improvements after half a season while Ferrari now is behind

you are being either too naive or acting as one.

binotto can go and s*ck his strategists noodle ffs.

at one stage leclerc had clearled off Russell and had a 6sec advantage on him and 10sec on Max . all that with 5 lap tyre advantage. had they not called him for hards and let him drive for 10 laps more and then bring in for softs he would still be at worst 2nd and would have had a run at max with fresher tyres.

and you are telling me the whether was clold ....what else a tornedo ? a cyclone ? utter nonsense. its obvious binotto wont accept it publically that he and his strategic team are clowns.

I agree with what you are saying, but what do you expect Binotto to say in an interview? "Yeah I'm just walking down to sack the strategy team" that's going to create the right morale in the team. They know the team made strategic errors in the season but won't discuss that in an interview.

the problem is Binotto. Just move him where he was. He is not perfect team leader. If it continues like this, Binotto will gone from Ferrari soon.

[tpe]

how many times did you sit in a pit wall?
at least I did 40 times

Great. According to your experience, should they pit Leclerc after just 17 laps, while he was extending his lead, for a tire that doesn't work on cold temps?
Also, since they had that issue, shouldn't they start the race on soft and go for S-M-M or even S-M-S if cold is an issue?

Because for sure, hard tires will not turn-on with a cold weather.

[Shal_Leg16]

Why was Max able to recover from 10th to 1st ?

did sainz's inability to clearoff Russell played perfectly in RBs hands coz it hled them off and Max was able to reduce the gap.

had Sainz cleared off Russell in his 1st stint or least let leclerc through stopped max from winning ? imo it would have .

[Shal_Leg16]

how many times did you sit in a pit wall?
at least I did 40 times

Great. According to your experience, should they pit Leclerc after just 17 laps, while he was extending his lead, for a tire that doesn't work on cold temps?
Also, since they had that issue, shouldn't they start the race on soft and go for S-M-M or even S-M-S if cold is an issue?

Because for sure, hard tires will not turn-on with a cold weather.

he doesn't know what hes talking.

[tpe]

IMHO their issue isn't xls, it's that they have, and have had since the start of the season in Jeddah, a bad understanding of tire performance in the race, the moves themselves aren't even that bad, for example had they just given Charles M-S-M stints even without changing when to do them, they probably would have won since he was faster on those tires than Max. But the tire understanding is way off.

I would LOVE to have the raw data of lap times between the 1st and second pit-stop.
Because even with my very rusty statistics and an XLS I would be able to guess that they would be 1st or 2nd just by sticking to the plan!

I strongly believe their issue is not tire-understanding related. It's something else. They don't react when they have to and they react when they don't have to!

In Austria (a great example of no reaction) they won the race.

[codetower]

for Those that says that Binotto is wrong
I would say >>> write to Elkan and offer your services!!!!!
the problems is not Binotto
the car is not enough quick in cold weather !!!! that is a design problem !!!!
do you understand the influence of temperature in racing cars?
do you understand that HAM got the best lap on the same (older red) tires as LEC
please stop blaming the team if you are technical guys!!!
the only critic in my opinion is that RB and MB look have done better improvements after half a season while Ferrari now is behind

you are being either too naive or acting as one.

binotto can go and s*ck his strategists noodle ffs.

at one stage leclerc had clearled off Russell and had a 6sec advantage on him and 10sec on Max . all that with 5 lap tyre advantage. had they not called him for hards and let him drive for 10 laps more and then bring in for softs he would still be at worst 2nd and would have had a run at max with fresher tyres.

and you are telling me the whether was clold ....what else a tornedo ? a cyclone ? utter nonsense. its obvious binotto wont accept it publically that he and his strategic team are clowns.

I agree with what you are saying, but what do you expect Binotto to say in an interview? "Yeah I'm just walking down to sack the strategy team" that's going to create the right morale in the team. They know the team made strategic errors in the season but won't discuss that in an interview.

I’m as big a fan of Binotto as anyone, but what I expect from him is to own up to your mistakes. As a lifelong Ferrari fan, and probably older than most on this forum, I’d rather see a team that recognizes mistakes and shortcomings, than one who is clueless, or continues making the same mistakes.

[dialtone]

Why was Max able to recover from 10th to 1st ?

did sainz's inability to clearoff Russell played perfectly in RBs hands coz it hled them off and Max was able to reduce the gap.

had Sainz cleared off Russell in his 1st stint or least let leclerc through stopped max from winning ? imo it would have .

Here's my race analysis from race thread.

Top 10 Gap chart

Pretty clearly there were 6 cars ahead, and everywhere else pretty far behind. Looks like pace wise here it was the top 6, then Lando Norris, then everyone else.
So let's zoom in the top 6 only.

Top 6 gap chart


And Top 6 lap times:


Alright so let's look into it:
- Perez and Max had basically the same pace through the race, uncanny how similar they were through it. I would probably use this to show that at the end Max was managing, but that's no surprise.
- Sainz today had no pace on any tire, critically he was not fast enough to challenge Russell in the first stint and then was pitted early by Ferrari, presumably to leave charles in front as Ferrari probably through that a switch of places was too punishing, although I think this squandered the supposed advantage of starting on the medium tire and going long on the first stint and create a tire differential.
- Sainz also wasn't fast on the soft tire at the end of the race where he lost further positions to Hamilton. He also wasn't helped by 2 slow pit stops from Ferrari, although that's not the reason why he finished 4th, he was simply slower today.
- Leclerc on Mediums was the fastest car on track, he always gained time on everyone (you can see his red line is always inclined downwards, meaning faster than Verstappen, and further than the others meaning faster than the rest. Even in the first stint, after 8 laps he was already faster than Sainz and equally fast as Russell. Leclerc was also about as fast as Hamilton on the Soft tire, Ham was a bit faster at the start of his stint, but slower after passing Sainz. The hard stint in the middle was a nightmare where Leclerc lost 10s and an additional pit stop.
- Russell had great defense from LEC, was reasonably fast in the 1st stint, at least fast enough to not be bothered by Sainz that much, but overall in the race he just wasn't that fast, struggled quite a bit on the mediums. His gap line is just losing time through the race.
- Hamilton struggled quite a bit in the first stint, was on slightly faster pace than VER in the second stint and then went long on the mediums with Sainz where he was slightly faster than Sainz again, but both were losing heaps of time to Max, and then had a great last stint on the soft putting in the fastest lap of the race and finishing 2nd. Great race.
- Max quickly cleared the slower cars in front of him in a couple of laps, and was 4th before lap 10 even started. At this point the crucial moment in his race was Sainz not passing Russell, this happened just at the right time because it allowed him to start his last stint on the mediums where his pace was again in line with Perez but he could pass Leclerc with ease and then march on to win this. Great job with the aggressive strategy.

I don't know what 1-lap situation to look into, the race was pretty full of overtakes and pretty clean overall.

I can't explain why Ferrari chose to go with the Hard tire on Leclerc, I think their proper mistake was not switching to the softs in the 2nd stint and freeing them up with tire choice later on with LEC. They also weren't helped by Sainz being slow, the car probably wasn't as good, like it struggled yesterday in quali, it struggled today in the race. I still don't why they went with the hards though, I think the strategy team in Ferrari has trouble understanding and updating the tire performance over the race.

[Shal_Leg16]

Why was Max able to recover from 10th to 1st ?

did sainz's inability to clearoff Russell played perfectly in RBs hands coz it hled them off and Max was able to reduce the gap.

had Sainz cleared off Russell in his 1st stint or least let leclerc through stopped max from winning ? imo it would have .

Here's my race analysis from race thread.

Top 10 Gap chart
https://i.imgur.com/H2oJOkX.png
Pretty clearly there were 6 cars ahead, and everywhere else pretty far behind. Looks like pace wise here it was the top 6, then Lando Norris, then everyone else.
So let's zoom in the top 6 only.

Top 6 gap chart
https://i.imgur.com/7WAVP2b.png

And Top 6 lap times:
https://i.imgur.com/LIDrcL3.jpeg

Alright so let's look into it:
- Perez and Max had basically the same pace through the race, uncanny how similar they were through it. I would probably use this to show that at the end Max was managing, but that's no surprise.
- Sainz today had no pace on any tire, critically he was not fast enough to challenge Russell in the first stint and then was pitted early by Ferrari, presumably to leave charles in front as Ferrari probably through that a switch of places was too punishing, although I think this squandered the supposed advantage of starting on the medium tire and going long on the first stint and create a tire differential.
- Sainz also wasn't fast on the soft tire at the end of the race where he lost further positions to Hamilton. He also wasn't helped by 2 slow pit stops from Ferrari, although that's not the reason why he finished 4th, he was simply slower today.
- Leclerc on Mediums was the fastest car on track, he always gained time on everyone (you can see his red line is always inclined downwards, meaning faster than Verstappen, and further than the others meaning faster than the rest. Even in the first stint, after 8 laps he was already faster than Sainz and equally fast as Russell. Leclerc was also about as fast as Hamilton on the Soft tire, Ham was a bit faster at the start of his stint, but slower after passing Sainz. The hard stint in the middle was a nightmare where Leclerc lost 10s and an additional pit stop.
- Russell had great defense from LEC, was reasonably fast in the 1st stint, at least fast enough to not be bothered by Sainz that much, but overall in the race he just wasn't that fast, struggled quite a bit on the mediums. His gap line is just losing time through the race.
- Hamilton struggled quite a bit in the first stint, was on slightly faster pace than VER in the second stint and then went long on the mediums with Sainz where he was slightly faster than Sainz again, but both were losing heaps of time to Max, and then had a great last stint on the soft putting in the fastest lap of the race and finishing 2nd. Great race.
- Max quickly cleared the slower cars in front of him in a couple of laps, and was 4th before lap 10 even started. At this point the crucial moment in his race was Sainz not passing Russell, this happened just at the right time because it allowed him to start his last stint on the mediums where his pace was again in line with Perez but he could pass Leclerc with ease and then march on to win this. Great job with the aggressive strategy.

I don't know what 1-lap situation to look into, the race was pretty full of overtakes and pretty clean overall.

I can't explain why Ferrari chose to go with the Hard tire on Leclerc, I think their proper mistake was not switching to the softs in the 2nd stint and freeing them up with tire choice later on with LEC. They also weren't helped by Sainz being slow, the car probably wasn't as good, like it struggled yesterday in quali, it struggled today in the race. I still don't why they went with the hards though, I think the strategy team in Ferrari has trouble understanding and updating the tire performance over the race.

finally someone pointed it out.

either Sainz had cleared off Russell in first stint or had they let Charles through to hunt him down ...that would have increased the gap on Max and effectivly stopped him swiftly moving in the lead so easily.