2022 Scuderia Ferrari F1 Team

[Xyz22]

You know what? If Leclerc started 10th they would have gone for the hard tyres and his race would have been over in the first stint.

This team wouldn't fight for a WDC even with a W05 or a F 2004. They are the worst managed team in all Motorsport, not just Formula 1.

They built a great car like the F1 75. Furthermore, they have Leclerc, one of the best drivers with Max and Lewis, and yet they are the laughing stock of the paddock.

You really can't make this up.

[tpe]

On lap 37, the lap before MV pitstop, Max was -7.1 seconds from Leclerc.
-7.1...

And all the data show that MV was not faster. If anything both Leclerc and Max had similar pace.

[tpe]

To be honest have we ever saw sainz do that ? hunting down a top Car driver ( any of the Ferrari, RB, Mercedes boys ) and pass them on track ?

its easy to say Sainz should have overtaken Russell but i doubt he really can unless some good tyre advantage.

Last week in France. Really nice moves.

yes nice moves but im talking more about drivers in top car and not like the strolls, ocons on the grid.

Like Perez and Russell? IIRC he passed both of them.

[matteosc]

I am still to understand what happened in the race with Ferrari...

Starting with the medium was reasonable in my opinion. It gives you more flexibility in case it starts raining after (let's say) lap 15 and you can also extend the first stint, hoping for safety car, virtual safety car etc..
They were quite clearly managing the tires behind Russel, which also makes sense.

This is however where the reasonable part of the GP ended. Covering the stops of people on soft made no sense: they completely lost the advantage of the medium tire and they put themselves in an horrible position. At that point they had to go with either hard (which literally everyone knew was a bad choice) or with soft (which would have to endure a very long stint because of the early first stop).

No idea of why they did not stay out for a longer first stint, at least with one car, trying to make a medium-medium-soft or a medium-soft-medium which took full advantage of the first set of tires. Binotto even said that they could have gone longer, but that they needed to cover for other's drivers stops... Totally insane in my opinion: you do not have to cover for stops of driver on a different strategy.

Sorry for the "venting"...

[SuperCNJ]

Have Ferrari been using the same strategists for all these years? Or have they employed new staff? It seems to me that all these wrong calls are severely hampering Ferrari. Surely this is obvious to Binotto?

[saviour stivala]

''no idea why did not stay out for longer first stint, at least with one car, trying to make a longer medium - medium - soft or medium soft medium'' They didn't for the simple reason that they could not use tyres that they did not had.

[ferkan]

Sainz and Lecrerc were on same strategy, but Ferrari ruined Sainz race with a pitstop similar to those on softs to let Charles go, ruining Sainz advantage of starting with mediums... Then ruining it further with a 4.7 seconds pitstop

And even further with a second pitstop of 4.5 seconds too

Then they ruined Lecrerc race too with hards, but they had ruined Sainz race much faster


Probably the most embarrassing race strategically speaking, I've ever seen at any team, and we've seen some pretty embarrasing lately...

Lucky for Sainz, he was so much slower than what the car could do, so he finished where he would have in any case.

Then Lecrerc was even slower, as he couldn't get into Sainz DRS at first stint until Sainz was stuck behind Russell

Nope, Leclerc urged Ferrari to start attacking because he could put better pressure on Russell.

At that point Leclerc chipped more out of Sainz then Sainz out of Russell, and Sainz was pitted because Leclerc would have to fight him and they would not tell Sainz to move in few laps time, so it was very elegant way of removing him without telling him he is slower.

Sainz was never inside Russells DRS at laps end, while Leclerc spent last 4 laps in Sainz DRS (last lap being 0.6s behind)

On new M Sainz was 0.5s faster then Leclerc, and once Leclerc got his new M tires he was considerably faster then Sainz.

Sainz was simply slower yesterday, admitted by himself, I dont see a reason to rewrite what happened, he was not in contention for win, Leclerc definitely was.

[ferkan]

Then Lecrerc was even slower, as he couldn't get into Sainz DRS at first stint until Sainz was stuck behind Russell

Wow, there really can't be anything remote to a rational discussion with you... You've already agreed Charles is a better driver, I can't understand what you are trying to prove? Sainz couldn't keep his position on fastest available tyres against Hamilton and 2-3 second he lost in pits is what he ended up behind Russell anyway. He couldn't overtake Russell, never had the track position, so there was no chance for him to end up on podium on his own pace and merit. Pit stops themselves are not Ferrari's problem at all, they are really good with tyre change. And somehow Ferrari ruined his race again He got 2 points extra because of Ferrari messing up with Leclerc, you should be happy Sainz finished 4th.

He's fundamentaly not wrong.
As I already said Leclerc was 2-2.5sec behind Sainz for the first stint he came into his DRS zone when Sainz was 1.2/0.7 behind Russell. So no blistering pace from him on that first stint.
Leclerc has already been so much faster than his teamates that he overtook them few laps after the start, remember Barhain 2019. It was not the case.

Ferrari messed up the race of Sainz by covering the strategy of Russell. Idk if it was to let Leclerc in clean air or just sheer incompetence but it was so wrong when you start on harder tyres and you don't get track position for this exact reason on the first stint.

Again not true.

2.3
1.9
1.3
1.2
1.3

These were gaps to Russell that Sainz bad before Russel pitted.

1.1
1.1
0.9
0.7
0.6

These were gaps Leclerc had with Sainz before he pitted. Leclerc was gaining more on Sainz, then Sainz has gained on Russell, even though Russell had soft tires that degraded more at that point.

We saw how quickly Leclerc hunted Russell on 4 laps newer mediums, so difference should have been similar in Sainz vs Russell case but Sainz made no impression on him either 1st or 2nd time.

[taperoo2k]

Have Ferrari been using the same strategists for all these years? Or have they employed new staff? It seems to me that all these wrong calls are severely hampering Ferrari. Surely this is obvious to Binotto?

Strategy has been a weak point in Ferrari's armour for a number of years now, it's only really come into focus given they've got a car capable of fighting for the championships. Before Ferrari could argue "Well we are slower than Mercedes and Red Bull" when mistakes were made. It looks like a team that can't react to what's happening in a race, and rigidly stick to whatever plans they've formulated before the race. It could also be that they are simply behind Red Bull and Mercedes when it comes to data analysis back at the factories and being willing to gamble on strategy. Which is what Red Bull did with Max yesterday.

Unless there is a dramatic turnaround, Ferrari have pretty much gift wrapped both titles for Red Bull. I'm not a Ferrari fan, but I expected better than what we've seen this season.

[Spoutnik]

[Xyz22]

Leclerc lapped in 1.45 with the cold hard tyres. Even Latifi would have been faster than him.

[Spoutnik]

Leclerc lapped in 1.45 with the cold hard tyres. Even Latifi would have been faster than him.

If the tweet is correct, Leclerc was still on medium when Verstappen did his second out lap.

[Xyz22]

Leclerc lapped in 1.45 with the cold hard tyres. Even Latifi would have been faster than him.

If the tweet is correct, Leclerc was still on medium when Verstappen did his second out lap.

That is clearly the difference between Max outlap and Leclerc outlap. Max did a 1.39 and Leclerc a 1.45.

[Shal_Leg16]

shhh, people shoudn´t notice Ferrari ruined Sainz race before they ruined Lecrerc race

Really ? he couldnt get rid of Russell in 1st stint , also held off Leclerc in that process which allowed guys starting from 7th & 10th on the grid to get into the fold. his performance in 1st stint defied whole purpose of starting higher on the grid .

if that was a Mercedes or RB they won't take 5 laps to think what to do, neither they had pitted sainz to avoid the swap....one simple msg - you are on different strategy and leclerc was through on Russell or least he would have pulled off enough gap to avoid what happened.

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Did you watch the race?

Leclerc was out of drs until Sainz got stuck behind Russell

Sainz and Lecrerc were on same strategy, but Ferrari ruined Sainz race with a pitstop similar to those on softs to let Charles go, ruining Sainz advantage of starting with mediums... Then ruining it further with a 4.7 seconds pitstop

And even further with a second pitstop of 4.5 seconds too

Then they ruined Lecrerc race too with hards, but they had ruined Sainz race much faster


Probably the most embarrassing race strategically speaking, I've ever seen at any team, and we've seen some pretty embarrasing lately...

Mate you are as clueless as Ferrari strategic team.

do you really mean anything you write or its just for the sake if it or just to defend your guy ?

what you mean by - " Leclerc was out of drs until Sainz got stuck behind Russell "

sainz was not supposed to get stuck behind a slower Mercedes in first place, ffs can get that in your head first ?

his instability to clear off Russell was main reason Ferrari became so vulnerable to undercuts, you are acting completely naive and void to this simple fact and trying to move whole argument on bad stops Sainz has had.

look nobody is denying that sainz's stops were bad but you are fooling no one by completely ignoring/excusing sainz performance in whole race. he was average whole race and never looked like a threat to anybody except himself.

[Shal_Leg16]

Leclerc lapped in 1.45 with the cold hard tyres. Even Latifi would have been faster than him.

If the tweet is correct, Leclerc was still on medium when Verstappen did his second out lap.

That is clearly the difference between Max outlap and Leclerc outlap. Max did a 1.39 and Leclerc a 1.45.

why this comparison when max pitted for mediums while leclerc was on hards ? whats the point ?