2022 Scuderia Ferrari F1 Team

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Why are we still discussing Leclerc and Sainz pace? The difference was the usual one in Hungary. Sainz can't keep up the pace without suffering from a lot of deg/graining. It has been the same story every single race this year.

The real issue is the incompetence of the Team. It's completely clear that they wouldn't win a WDC even with Michael Schumacher and the F 2004 so something must change, or we'll keep seeing these clown shows on a regular basis.

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Did the plastic bag have any effect on Sainz's car?
A lion must kill its prey.

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Xyz22 wrote:
02 Aug 2022, 16:33
Why are we still discussing Leclerc and Sainz pace? The difference was the usual one in Hungary. Sainz can't keep up the pace without suffering from a lot of deg/graining. It has been the same story every single race this year.

The real issue is the incompetence of the Team. It's completely clear that they wouldn't win a WDC even with Michael Schumacher and the F 2004 so something must change or we'll see these clown shows on a regular basis.
Bahh... I don't know why I keep discussing the same topic. I feel like I'm arguing with the Ferrari strategists who can't see the real issues and keep making excuses.

I refuse to believe that Binotto truly believes the things he says. I still believe that he knows they made a mistake, and just being a good team leader, is covering for his team, and taking the brunt of the criticism. Hopefully they will improve, there is opportunity in every failure. We HAVE made progress over the last few years. We have a strong car, we have a strong engine, we have a strong driver lineup, and I genuinely like Binotto. If we keep making progress, the next few years can be special. But we NEED to keep making progress. Right now, it just stings a little.

But for now, I'm taking a holiday from F1 until August 26th.

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codetower wrote:
02 Aug 2022, 16:48
Xyz22 wrote:
02 Aug 2022, 16:33
Why are we still discussing Leclerc and Sainz pace? The difference was the usual one in Hungary. Sainz can't keep up the pace without suffering from a lot of deg/graining. It has been the same story every single race this year.

The real issue is the incompetence of the Team. It's completely clear that they wouldn't win a WDC even with Michael Schumacher and the F 2004 so something must change or we'll see these clown shows on a regular basis.
Bahh... I don't know why I keep discussing the same topic. I feel like I'm arguing with the Ferrari strategists who can't see the real issues and keep making excuses.

I refuse to believe that Binotto truly believes the things he says. I still believe that he knows they made a mistake, and just being a good team leader, is covering for his team, and taking the brunt of the criticism. Hopefully they will improve, there is opportunity in every failure. We HAVE made progress over the last few years. We have a strong car, we have a strong engine, we have a strong driver lineup, and I genuinely like Binotto. If we keep making progress, the next few years can be special. But we NEED to keep making progress. Right now, it just stings a little.

But for now, I'm taking a holiday from F1 until August 26th.
Unfortunately, the strategy team has been pretty much the same since 2015, at least based on what we know from public statements. This Team proved year-on-year that they aren't capable of maximizing the results in difficult occasions, i.e. races in mixed conditions, races where the fastest driver is behind the slower one as they are scared of issuing team orders, etc. We are 80 points behind Verstappen. In 2017 and 2018 with a worse car and driver we were respectively 3 and 17 points behinds.

This is not acceptable.

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If Binotto thinks "there is nothing to change" in the team then he should be the first one removed. Maybe moved into the role of technical director, while someone better takes over everything else. (Including race-engineering).
The only thing successful under his tenure is the technical side anyway.

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codetower wrote:
02 Aug 2022, 15:12
Andres125sx wrote:
02 Aug 2022, 07:43
mendis wrote:
01 Aug 2022, 13:32
So you want everyone to ignore the fact that, Ferrari currently has a car that is miles ahead of Mercedes and it was Russell who needed to baby sit the tyres to get a decent stint? Besides, on a full load of fuel, the Soft is only going to be a couple of tenths faster than Medium on cars of equal performance, but that advantage could last only a handful of laps. If Sainz would have pushed Russell harder, may be his tyres would have been dead faster and then Sainz could have overtaken Russell. Those are facts that you are ignoring or unaware. I understand you are spanish and hence have such adulation for your countryman. Unlike Alonso, Sainz doesn't deserve such unwavering support, not on merit. Lastly, I am not going to compete with you on those emojis.
I can only say one thing... Stop inventing!

Drivers with harder tires do not push drivers with faster tires, that´s not how things work mate, when you have a harder tire you just need to wait, not to push your rival

If you can´t admit something this obvious to keep stuck on your initial opinion instead of admitting Sainz didn´t need to pass Russel on track, I can only say... Stop inventing! :lol: #-o
If you are faster, or can keep up the pace, yes you do. You get THEM to push to run their tyres and force them into an early pit. The Ferrari had the faster pace to push Russel after about 6-7 laps. What you DON'T want to do is play into THEIR game and let them dictate the tyre strategy. From lap 10 on, Leclerc was running 2,3,4+ tenths faster than RUS (on the "slower" yellow tyre) which probably forced Russel to box.

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02 Aug 2022, 08:05

Indeed, but it was not obvious that Lecrerc was faster on first stint, actually he wasn´t at all, he only managed to be on Sainz DRS at the end of the stint. He was faster on next stint, but because he had the tire advantage (5 laps fresher tires) wich is the tire advantage Sainz should have had on Russell. But Ferrari ruined Sainz advantage to promote Lecrerc.

I´m not saying they shouldn´t prioritize Lecrerc, as he was the only one with real options for the title, but people can´t accept this and recognize Ferrari ruined Sainz race to favour Lecrerc, instead they need to claim Sainz was slower, even if he wasn´t in equal conditions (same tire with same laps, wich only happened in first stint)
OK OK, my mistake. Leclerc was NOT Faster than Sainz on the first stint; Sainz was just slower than LEC. Did it ever occur that someone needs to be faster in order to get into the DRS zone in the first place? Also, is it possible that for the first 7-10 laps Charles, instead of racing each other, was just running the "team" race and letting (waiting) for Carlos to push, and when he realized he wasn't or couldn't he decided to push himself?

And since you're stuck on this SAI vs LEC first stint, Here are the first stint numbers for you:

Carlos ran an average 26.77 during his first stint (yellow, 16 laps not including the pit lap)
Charles ran an average 26.26 on first stint (Yellow 20 Laps... yes, more laps, not including pit lap)

That's a half second "slower" with "fresher" tyres. Charles was faster than Sainz, and faster from Lap 7 on, not just at the "end of the stint". Nothing invented... no magic... no smoke and mirrors.

And if that was favoring Leclerc by putting him on the slower MMH strategy as opposed to the faster MMS, then this is some crazy bizarro world we are living in.
Good post, except you're ignoring the most important fact. Sainz was on traffic :wink:

I'm not stuck on anything btw, just replying people who don't notice some basic things, like yourself for example.

At the end of the stint...ok I meant once Sainz got stuck behind Russell. On first laps when Russell was faster with new soft tires, so Sainz could push, Lecrerc was NOT in DRS, only when Russell softs were wasted and Sainz couldn't push anymore, Lecrerc got into Sainz DRS

Leclerc actually needed Russell to slow down Sainz to get into his DRS :wink:

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“I don’t know what we could have done better on strategy,” said Sainz. “But I can tell you that when the pace is bad like it was today, the strategy is always difficult because you don’t have pace with any compound, you are always going to struggle with strategy because you have very little flexibility.

“Yes, the pit stop cost me today, two times, and majorly in my second stint because from probably leading the race I went to P3 and having to manage the tyres a lot, which was a shame. But do you include that as a strategy, I don’t know.

“I think today we were just slow. If you compare our pace against the Red Bull on Friday to our pace to the Red Bull today, there was clearly something in the car and in the tyres that we were not doing right."
https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/arti ... nZ6ER.html

Should call him Carlos "Secretary of Defense" Sainz Jr. =D>

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CaribouBread wrote:
02 Aug 2022, 19:27
“I don’t know what we could have done better on strategy,” said Sainz. “But I can tell you that when the pace is bad like it was today, the strategy is always difficult because you don’t have pace with any compound, you are always going to struggle with strategy because you have very little flexibility.

“Yes, the pit stop cost me today, two times, and majorly in my second stint because from probably leading the race I went to P3 and having to manage the tyres a lot, which was a shame. But do you include that as a strategy, I don’t know.

“I think today we were just slow. If you compare our pace against the Red Bull on Friday to our pace to the Red Bull today, there was clearly something in the car and in the tyres that we were not doing right."
https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/arti ... nZ6ER.html

Should call him Carlos "Secretary of Defense" Sainz Jr. =D>

The only one who thinks this is Sainz. Leclerc was perfectly fine with his car and was the fastest man on track before he was fitted onto Hards. Pretty obvious who's the better driver no matter what any of the Spanish folks here want to insinuate by making underhanded comments about Leclerc's pace.

As for the team, rarely have I seen such a catastrophic first half from a team with arguably the fastest car on the grid. Horrible, horrible management with zero accountability from the team. Binotto can't stop giving excuses for consecutive strategy mis-calls and hilariously bad pitstops. God knows what will happen to this team

This isn't the Ferrari I fell in love with.

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Drift4794 wrote:
02 Aug 2022, 19:39



The only one who thinks this is Sainz.
Of course he's the one that thinks that. He's talking about his side of the garage.

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Andres125sx wrote:
02 Aug 2022, 19:07
codetower wrote:
02 Aug 2022, 15:12
Andres125sx wrote:
02 Aug 2022, 07:43


I can only say one thing... Stop inventing!

Drivers with harder tires do not push drivers with faster tires, that´s not how things work mate, when you have a harder tire you just need to wait, not to push your rival

If you can´t admit something this obvious to keep stuck on your initial opinion instead of admitting Sainz didn´t need to pass Russel on track, I can only say... Stop inventing! :lol: #-o
If you are faster, or can keep up the pace, yes you do. You get THEM to push to run their tyres and force them into an early pit. The Ferrari had the faster pace to push Russel after about 6-7 laps. What you DON'T want to do is play into THEIR game and let them dictate the tyre strategy. From lap 10 on, Leclerc was running 2,3,4+ tenths faster than RUS (on the "slower" yellow tyre) which probably forced Russel to box.

Andres125sx wrote:
02 Aug 2022, 08:05

Indeed, but it was not obvious that Lecrerc was faster on first stint, actually he wasn´t at all, he only managed to be on Sainz DRS at the end of the stint. He was faster on next stint, but because he had the tire advantage (5 laps fresher tires) wich is the tire advantage Sainz should have had on Russell. But Ferrari ruined Sainz advantage to promote Lecrerc.

I´m not saying they shouldn´t prioritize Lecrerc, as he was the only one with real options for the title, but people can´t accept this and recognize Ferrari ruined Sainz race to favour Lecrerc, instead they need to claim Sainz was slower, even if he wasn´t in equal conditions (same tire with same laps, wich only happened in first stint)
OK OK, my mistake. Leclerc was NOT Faster than Sainz on the first stint; Sainz was just slower than LEC. Did it ever occur that someone needs to be faster in order to get into the DRS zone in the first place? Also, is it possible that for the first 7-10 laps Charles, instead of racing each other, was just running the "team" race and letting (waiting) for Carlos to push, and when he realized he wasn't or couldn't he decided to push himself?

And since you're stuck on this SAI vs LEC first stint, Here are the first stint numbers for you:

Carlos ran an average 26.77 during his first stint (yellow, 16 laps not including the pit lap)
Charles ran an average 26.26 on first stint (Yellow 20 Laps... yes, more laps, not including pit lap)

That's a half second "slower" with "fresher" tyres. Charles was faster than Sainz, and faster from Lap 7 on, not just at the "end of the stint". Nothing invented... no magic... no smoke and mirrors.

And if that was favoring Leclerc by putting him on the slower MMH strategy as opposed to the faster MMS, then this is some crazy bizarro world we are living in.
Good post, except you're ignoring the most important fact. Sainz was on traffic :wink:

I'm not stuck on anything btw, just replying people who don't notice some basic things, like yourself for example.

At the end of the stint...ok I meant once Sainz got stuck behind Russell. On first laps when Russell was faster with new soft tires, so Sainz could push, Lecrerc was NOT in DRS, only when Russell softs were wasted and Sainz couldn't push anymore, Lecrerc got into Sainz DRS

Leclerc actually needed Russell to slow down Sainz to get into his DRS :wink:
What "basic" things am I not noticing? Unless they are imaginary things, I have no clue what you mean.

- You mentioned Leclerc was not faster than Sainz on their first stint. This is "basically" not accurate. All data proves he was faster.
- You mentioned that Lec was not faster until he got into Sai's DRS. Again, "basically" not accurate. He didn't get into Sainz' DRS until lap 14, yet LEC was faster in lap 7, 8, 9,10,12,13.
- Russel did NOT slow Sainz down, and his tyres were not wasted by lap 7. For most of the laps that LEC was gaining on Sainz, Russel had better lap times than Sainz as well (laps 8,9,10,12). Sainz was nearly 2 seconds behind RUS on lap 13.

And now your "most important fact"... Sainz was in traffic? He was in 2nd place, trailing the lead car nowhere near his DRS zone. And the lead car had clean air in front. What traffic?

Look, I don't know what basic information you think I am missing, but I do not see anything that tells me that Carlos was faster, or as fast as Leclerc during this race. Unless you pinpoint a few specific laps here and there... Hell, Latifi had a faster lap 3 than Verstappen... go figure. But I cannot argue this anymore.

Obviously you are a fan of Sainz... I've seen your posts before. And thats OK, I respect that. Sainz is talented, he's a good person and is better than most other drivers on the grid. But this argument is coming off as being biased. And this is the issue I'm having right now with Ferrari. It's all just excuses. Blaming pace, weather, setup, a plastic bag stuck in the gills. Excuses. No one on the Ferrari side seems to admin what every piece of data, and every "non-Sainz" fan saw. Leclerc had the pace. If not for P1, at the very least a P2. Instead, nobody gets a podium. They lose more points to Red Bull, and even worse, Mercedes. And by not having the cojones to just ask Sainz to move aside and let Leclerc through, they call him in early as well. Maybe they didn't think he would comply if they ask, but thats a whole other topic. Instead they turn to post race excuses.

As I mentioned before, I hope it's all just a front for the media, and they DO see the flaws and will make changes and/or improvements. But they'll keep drifting if this keeps up.

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Data kills "emotions"
SAI VS RUS
1 lap P21:30.046 P11:28.391 +1.655 +1.655
2 lap P21:54.643 P11:52.128 +2.515 +4.170
3 lap P21:28.905 P11:30.593 -1.688 +2.482
4 lap P21:23.354 P11:23.722 -0.368 +2.114
5 lap P21:23.932 P11:23.954 -0.022 +2.092
6 lap P21:23.938 P11:23.999 -0.061 +2.031
7 lap P21:24.065 P11:24.069 -0.004 +2.027
8 lap P21:24.439 P11:24.073 +0.366 +2.393
9 lap P21:23.860 P11:23.714 +0.146 +2.539
10 lap P21:24.648 P11:24.514 +0.134 +2.673
11 lap P21:23.901 P11:24.310 -0.409 +2.264
12 lap P21:24.310 P11:24.199 +0.111 +2.375
13 lap P21:24.107 P11:24.535 -0.428 +1.947
14 lap P21:24.454 P11:25.013 -0.559 +1.388
15 lap P21:24.667 P11:24.873 -0.206 +1.182
Sainz was catching RUS
LEC vs SAI
1 lap P31:30.984 P21:30.046 +0.938 +0.938
2 lap P31:54.855 P21:54.643 +0.212 +1.150
3 lap P31:28.826 P21:28.905 -0.079 +1.071
4 lap P31:23.573 P21:23.354 +0.219 +1.290
5 lap P31:24.315 P21:23.932 +0.383 +1.673
6 lap P31:24.187 P21:23.938 +0.249 +1.922
7 lap P31:24.103 P21:24.065 +0.038 +1.960
8 lap P31:24.141 P21:24.439 -0.298 +1.662
9 lap P31:23.818 P21:23.860 -0.042 +1.620
10 lap P31:24.124 P21:24.648 -0.524 +1.096
11 lap P31:24.148 P21:23.901 +0.247 +1.343
12 lap P31:24.077 P21:24.310 -0.233 +1.110
13 lap P31:24.105 P21:24.107 -0.002 +1.108
14 lap P31:24.326 P21:24.454 -0.128 +0.980
15 lap P31:24.407 P21:24.667 -0.260 +0.720
16 lap P21:25.005 P11:25.113 -0.108 +0.612
LEC was catching SAI who was behind RUS
RUS pitted lap 16 SAI lap 17 LEC 2 laps tater undercut SAI and SAI accepted the order
pass rus on lap 31 and change to whites 39 and .......
so SAI helped the team to take the lead (LEC) as requested
on both RUS and Lec pited on lap 39 rus on meds lec on whites and lec was always ahead of russel until he stoped to change for reds
that is what the data says
data is not emotional
fans are !!! :(

just in case 70 laps
rus vs lec
lap P11:28.391 P31:30.984 -2.593 -2.593
2 lap P11:52.128 P31:54.855 -2.727 -5.320
3 lap P11:30.593 P31:28.826 +1.767 -3.553
4 lap P11:23.722 P31:23.573 +0.149 -3.404
5 lap P11:23.954 P31:24.315 -0.361 -3.765
6 lap P11:23.999 P31:24.187 -0.188 -3.953
7 lap P11:24.069 P31:24.103 -0.034 -3.987
8 lap P11:24.073 P31:24.141 -0.068 -4.055
9 lap P11:23.714 P31:23.818 -0.104 -4.159
10 lap P11:24.514 P31:24.124 +0.390 -3.769
11 lap P11:24.310 P31:24.148 +0.162 -3.607
12 lap P11:24.199 P31:24.077 +0.122 -3.485
13 lap P11:24.535 P31:24.105 +0.430 -3.055
14 lap P11:25.013 P31:24.326 +0.687 -2.368
15 lap P11:24.873 P31:24.407 +0.466 -1.902
16 lap P31:27.655 pit P21:25.005 +2.650 +0.748
17 lap P61:43.376 out P11:24.385 +18.991 +19.739
18 lap P41:23.272 P11:23.792 -0.520 +19.219
19 lap P31:23.466 P11:23.911 -0.445 +18.774
20 lap P21:23.636 P11:24.262 -0.626 +18.148
21 lap P21:23.923 P11:26.481 pit -2.558 +15.590
22 lap P11:23.656 P21:41.737 out -18.081 -2.491
23 lap P11:23.566 P21:22.995 +0.571 -1.920
24 lap P11:23.901 P21:23.596 +0.305 -1.615
25 lap P11:23.654 P21:23.447 +0.207 -1.408
26 lap P11:23.763 P21:23.278 +0.485 -0.923
27 lap P11:23.878 P21:23.602 +0.276 -0.647
28 lap P11:24.566 P21:24.560 +0.006 -0.641
29 lap P11:24.266 P21:24.278 -0.012 -0.653
30 lap P11:24.196 P21:24.056 +0.140 -0.513
31 lap P21:25.123 P11:23.003 +2.120 +1.607
32 lap P21:24.588 P11:24.278 +0.310 +1.917
33 lap P21:23.939 P11:23.365 +0.574 +2.491
34 lap P21:23.997 P11:23.388 +0.609 +3.100
35 lap P21:23.862 P11:23.498 +0.364 +3.464
36 lap P21:24.160 P11:23.144 +1.016 +4.480
37 lap P21:23.900 P11:23.453 +0.447 +4.927
38 lap P21:24.267 P11:23.805 +0.462 +5.389
39 lap P31:26.637 pit P11:26.324 pit +0.313 +5.702
40 lap P61:42.258 out P31:45.325 out -3.067 +2.635
41 lap P61:25.108 P31:25.755 -0.647 +1.988
42 lap P51:23.931 P31:23.462 +0.469 +2.457
43 lap P51:22.967 P31:22.456 +0.511 +2.968
44 lap P51:22.907 P31:22.839 +0.068 +3.036
45 lap P51:23.040 P41:24.300 -1.260 +1.776
46 lap P51:23.027 P41:23.335 -0.308 +1.468
47 lap P51:23.223 P41:23.158 +0.065 +1.533
48 lap P41:23.128 P31:23.163 -0.035 +1.498
49 lap P41:23.394 P31:23.509 -0.115 +1.383
50 lap P41:23.508 P31:24.334 -0.826 +0.557
51 lap P41:24.170 P31:24.152 +0.018 +0.575
52 lap P31:23.533 P21:23.544 -0.011 +0.564
53 lap P31:23.854 P21:24.154 -0.300 +0.264
54 lap P21:23.007 P41:27.578 pit -4.571 -4.307
55 lap P21:23.330 P61:43.455 out -20.125 -24.432
56 lap P21:22.791 P61:22.687 +0.104 -24.328
57 lap P21:22.766 P61:21.622 +1.144 -23.184
58 lap P21:23.057 P61:21.988 +1.069 -22.115
59 lap P21:23.154 P61:21.762 +1.392 -20.723
60 lap P21:23.576 P61:21.890 +1.686 -19.037
61 lap P21:22.953 P61:22.090 +0.863 -18.174
62 lap P21:23.742 P61:21.897 +1.845 -16.329
63 lap P21:23.235 P61:22.392 +0.843 -15.486
64 lap P21:23.631 P61:21.981 +1.650 -13.836
65 lap P31:24.431 P61:22.325 +2.106 -11.730
66 lap P31:24.387 P61:22.230 +2.157 -9.573
67 lap P31:23.675 P61:22.836 +0.839 -8.734
68 lap P31:41.352 P61:45.489 -4.137 -12.871
69 lap P31:40.381 P61:34.315 +6.066 -6.805
70 lap P31:27.399 P61:24.304 +3.095 -3.71

enjoy it
use data not emotions !!!!!!

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Yes, Leclerc was catching Sainz who was catching Russell, but Leclerc was catching Carlos at faster rate, therefore he was well inside his DRS and near it for 3 laps, while Sainz never got inside Russells DRS. Therefore as per math we have, Charles was considerably faster then Sainz and if, hypotetically, he was behind Russell instead, he would have swallowed him easily.

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please read again what you said
LEC was catching Sainz >>>> true and he had DRS which SAI Did not (no matter why)
saying that LEC was "considerably faster" than SAI is false , was faster yes , marginaly .2/.3? and only after lap 8 from lap 8 to 16 and SAI was receiving radio all the time from the team and that is why they finally decide to pit him first to do the undercut and SAI accepted without hesitation
please
the discussion or analysis shall not be who is a faster driver(both are very good) we can accept that LEC is faster than SAI as Max is faster than PER or HAM vs Rus
but that is not the point
Teams and especially Ferrari don't care about drivers they care about their car/brand , especially those like Ferrari that manufacture cars
at the end when you compare results between good drivers #1 vs #2 on the main teams the difference is what .1? .2
how slower BOT was vs HAM?
BAR VS SCH?
who cares ? only emotional fans !!!!!!
diff between driver are unavoidable and the teams know better than you and me.

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pipoloko wrote:
03 Aug 2022, 14:51
please read again what you said
LEC was catching Sainz >>>> true and he had DRS which SAI Did not (no matter why)
saying that LEC was "considerably faster" than SAI is false , was faster yes , marginaly .2/.3? and only after lap 8 from lap 8 to 16 and SAI was receiving radio all the time from the team and that is why they finally decide to pit him first to do the undercut and SAI accepted without hesitation
please
the discussion or analysis shall not be who is a faster driver(both are very good) we can accept that LEC is faster than SAI as Max is faster than PER or HAM vs Rus
but that is not the point
Teams and especially Ferrari don't care about drivers they care about their car/brand , especially those like Ferrari that manufacture cars
at the end when you compare results between good drivers #1 vs #2 on the main teams the difference is what .1? .2
how slower BOT was vs HAM?
BAR VS SCH?
who cares ? only emotional fans !!!!!!
diff between driver are unavoidable and the teams know better than you and me.
And this is the issue most people are having now. They SHOULD care about drivers or it will be much more difficult to win... and most likely the reason why they keep shooting themselves in the foot. You think RB doesn't "care" about VER over PER? Or MB didn't care about HAM over BOT? In every sport you will see the premier teams always prioritize their star athletes. Whether it's Lebron James, Lionel Messi, Tom Brady, Ronaldo... you prioritize them, and build your team around them. That what makes a champion.

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Re: 2022 Scuderia Ferrari F1 Team

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codetower wrote:
03 Aug 2022, 15:06
pipoloko wrote:
03 Aug 2022, 14:51
please read again what you said
LEC was catching Sainz >>>> true and he had DRS which SAI Did not (no matter why)
saying that LEC was "considerably faster" than SAI is false , was faster yes , marginaly .2/.3? and only after lap 8 from lap 8 to 16 and SAI was receiving radio all the time from the team and that is why they finally decide to pit him first to do the undercut and SAI accepted without hesitation
please
the discussion or analysis shall not be who is a faster driver(both are very good) we can accept that LEC is faster than SAI as Max is faster than PER or HAM vs Rus
but that is not the point
Teams and especially Ferrari don't care about drivers they care about their car/brand , especially those like Ferrari that manufacture cars
at the end when you compare results between good drivers #1 vs #2 on the main teams the difference is what .1? .2
how slower BOT was vs HAM?
BAR VS SCH?
who cares ? only emotional fans !!!!!!
diff between driver are unavoidable and the teams know better than you and me.
And this is the issue most people are having now. They SHOULD care about drivers or it will be much more difficult to win... and most likely the reason why they keep shooting themselves in the foot. You think RB doesn't "care" about VER over PER? Or MB didn't care about HAM over BOT? In every sport you will see the premier teams always prioritize their star athletes. Whether it's Lebron James, Lionel Messi, Tom Brady, Ronaldo... you prioritize them, and build your team around them. That what makes a champion.
I thought its the drivers that finally have to drive the car to championship points. A fast car does not bring points to the team by itself. Driviers are the last piece of this whole cycle. The team which is unable to identify and maximize the chances of their no.1 driver is nothing but a team in denial. A team that does not know how to prioritize points in each and every season fails miserably to bring home any points. I think the whole world know who is the faster driver between Charles and Carlos, the whole world also knows who is more likely to make unforced errors and at same time the world knows who is best bet to challenge for the title. Plus and minus the team should know their best bet and not juggle around to find the best bet. In this process the team never wins and can never win because the driver is the last piece of the whole puzzle.
The most dissapointing part which I feel the most is how the great efforts of the guys that made this Ferrari 2022 car a true challenger is thrown under the bus every weekend by those people in charge of the race day. (Drivers + strategist+ most important the man in charge of this team)