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Just_a_fan
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Re: 2023 car speculation

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I do wonder if the Merc interpretation is "the only way" and thus difficult for anyone with a full sidepod to implement. Red Bull have their large jutting bottom lip which might be more beneficial to their concept than a side wing would be anyway.
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saviour stivala
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Re: Mercedes W13

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OO7 wrote:
08 Aug 2022, 20:21
saviour stivala wrote:
08 Aug 2022, 07:30
The facts are that FIA did not bow to all Mercedes wanted, and a compromise has been reached so that the floor edge will be raised 15mm and not 25mm from next race.
If the raised floor edges rule is introduced, it will be for 2023, not this season.
You are correct. The compromise reached for the floor edge to be raised 15mm is for 2023.

Sevach
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Re: Mercedes W13

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saviour stivala wrote:
09 Aug 2022, 04:20
OO7 wrote:
08 Aug 2022, 20:21
saviour stivala wrote:
08 Aug 2022, 07:30
The facts are that FIA did not bow to all Mercedes wanted, and a compromise has been reached so that the floor edge will be raised 15mm and not 25mm from next race.
If the raised floor edges rule is introduced, it will be for 2023, not this season.
You are correct. The compromise reached for the floor edge to be raised 15mm is for 2023.
I can't find anything regarding the final decision for 2023, where you got the info?

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Sevach wrote:
09 Aug 2022, 12:19
saviour stivala wrote:
09 Aug 2022, 04:20
OO7 wrote:
08 Aug 2022, 20:21

If the raised floor edges rule is introduced, it will be for 2023, not this season.

You are correct. The compromise reached for the floor edge to be raised 15mm is for 2023.
I can't find anything regarding the final decision for 2023, where you got the info?
Not strictly W13 related but seen this yesterday.

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Re: Mercedes W13

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Sevach wrote:
09 Aug 2022, 12:19
saviour stivala wrote:
09 Aug 2022, 04:20
OO7 wrote:
08 Aug 2022, 20:21

If the raised floor edges rule is introduced, it will be for 2023, not this season.
You are correct. The compromise reached for the floor edge to be raised 15mm is for 2023.
I can't find anything regarding the final decision for 2023, where you got the info?
https://racingnews365.com/f1-teams-agre ... -amendment

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Sevach wrote:
09 Aug 2022, 12:19
saviour stivala wrote:
09 Aug 2022, 04:20
OO7 wrote:
08 Aug 2022, 20:21

If the raised floor edges rule is introduced, it will be for 2023, not this season.
You are correct. The compromise reached for the floor edge to be raised 15mm is for 2023.
I can't find anything regarding the final decision for 2023, where you got the info?
If you Googles ‘’F1 teams agree compromise on technical amendments’’ you will be spoiled for chose

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OO7 wrote:
09 Aug 2022, 14:22
Sevach wrote:
09 Aug 2022, 12:19
saviour stivala wrote:
09 Aug 2022, 04:20


You are correct. The compromise reached for the floor edge to be raised 15mm is for 2023.
I can't find anything regarding the final decision for 2023, where you got the info?
https://racingnews365.com/f1-teams-agre ... -amendment
It says 'floor edges lifted by 15mm' does that mean total of 15 mm of the track, or was there an existing 'limit' which it is added too?
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Big Tea wrote:
09 Aug 2022, 15:28
OO7 wrote:
09 Aug 2022, 14:22
Sevach wrote:
09 Aug 2022, 12:19


I can't find anything regarding the final decision for 2023, where you got the info?
https://racingnews365.com/f1-teams-agre ... -amendment
It says 'floor edges lifted by 15mm' does that mean total of 15 mm of the track, or was there an existing 'limit' which it is added too?
I haven't consulted the regs, but I believe currently the floor edges can be designed to rest on the reference plane. For 2023 they'll have to be at least 15mm above the ref plane.

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OO7 wrote:
09 Aug 2022, 17:55
Big Tea wrote:
09 Aug 2022, 15:28
It says 'floor edges lifted by 15mm' does that mean total of 15 mm of the track, or was there an existing 'limit' which it is added too?
I haven't consulted the regs, but I believe currently the floor edges can be designed to rest on the reference plane. For 2023 they'll have to be at least 15mm above the ref plane.
It sounds like the FIA will more tightly police excessive floor edge flexing as a result which has been visible on the W13.
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AR3-GP wrote:
09 Aug 2022, 18:10
OO7 wrote:
09 Aug 2022, 17:55
Big Tea wrote:
09 Aug 2022, 15:28


It says 'floor edges lifted by 15mm' does that mean total of 15 mm of the track, or was there an existing 'limit' which it is added too?
I haven't consulted the regs, but I believe currently the floor edges can be designed to rest on the reference plane. For 2023 they'll have to be at least 15mm above the ref plane.
It sounds like the FIA will more tightly police excessive floor edge flexing as a result which has been visible on the W13.
A number of cars run with the floor edges on / near the ground. Just like the mythical "Mercedes has a flexing front wing" that ignores everyone else doing exactly the same.
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Big Tea
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Re: Mercedes W13

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Could they maybe mandate 15mm 'stand off's' at points along the edge?
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OO7
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Big Tea wrote:
09 Aug 2022, 19:09
Could they maybe mandate 15mm 'stand off's' at points along the edge?
How do you mean?

Sevach
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Re: Mercedes W13

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OO7 wrote:
09 Aug 2022, 17:55
Big Tea wrote:
09 Aug 2022, 15:28
It says 'floor edges lifted by 15mm' does that mean total of 15 mm of the track, or was there an existing 'limit' which it is added too?
I haven't consulted the regs, but I believe currently the floor edges can be designed to rest on the reference plane. For 2023 they'll have to be at least 15mm above the ref plane.
I believe that's correct, the reference plane is the measuring stick.
Also thanks for the info.

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OO7 wrote:
09 Aug 2022, 19:20
Big Tea wrote:
09 Aug 2022, 19:09
Could they maybe mandate 15mm 'stand off's' at points along the edge?
How do you mean?
As they have with the plank. Skidblocks of a set length that cannot grind down below a stated length.
Places say front middle and rear of the floor edge either side.
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OO7
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Big Tea wrote:
09 Aug 2022, 20:19
OO7 wrote:
09 Aug 2022, 19:20
Big Tea wrote:
09 Aug 2022, 19:09
Could they maybe mandate 15mm 'stand off's' at points along the edge?
How do you mean?
As they have with the plank. Skidblocks of a set length that cannot grind down below a stated length.
Places say front middle and rear of the floor edge either side.
They could have but didn't go down that route. I can only surmise that raising the floor edges is the simplest method and flex isn't of much concern or rather the F.I.A doesn't perceive flexing of the floor edge to be a significant issue under the new regs.