2022 Belgian Grand Prix - Spa-Francorchamps - Aug 26 - 28

[Quantum]

the one where changes to irregular floor of both Rbr and ferrari would propel merc to the front,but i guess you already know that

He's on record saying it would affect them, but not by that much for Mercedes to leapfrog them. Maybe close the gap slightly.

Or not at all.

Guess the race runs might give us a little more clues.

Doesn’t the merc struggle in the cooler weather with getting tyre temps up? Sure I heard sky mention it

Yup, pretty much along the lines of what Russell said.

"There's no guarantees it will bring them closer to us. Every car is different, but it's not going to help them that's for sure."

But of course some people will interpret that as Russell saying Mercedes are going to smash everyone out the park and lap the entire field, because that's the internet these days.

Merc have been sensitive to temp changes for as long as I recall them being a team. They got pole and won China in 2012 when it was cooler with the W03, and pretty much trounced for the rest of the season. That was the last time I saw them outperform in cooler conditions(to memory) and even then China was pretty unique in being front end limited.

[erudite450]

He's on record saying it would affect them, but not by that much for Mercedes to leapfrog them. Maybe close the gap slightly.

Or not at all.

Guess the race runs might give us a little more clues.

Doesn’t the merc struggle in the cooler weather with getting tyre temps up? Sure I heard sky mention it

Yup, pretty much along the lines of what Russell said.

"There's no guarantees it will bring them closer to us. Every car is different, but it's not going to help them that's for sure."

But of course some people will interpret that as Russell saying Mercedes are going to smash everyone out the park and lap the entire field, because that's the internet these days.

Merc have been sensitive to temp changes for as long as I recall them being a team. They got pole and won China in 2012 when it was cooler with the W03, and pretty much trounced for the rest of the season. That was the last time I saw them outperform in cooler conditions(to memory) and even then China was pretty unique in being front end limited.

Budapest just a few weeks ago...

[NL_Fer]

Don’t be surprised as the Merc loose to much tire heat on the straights.

[organic]

Monza wing on the F1-75 for FP2?

#Ferrari : here it is in FP2 the weakest wing on the F1-75!

* Which is not the one seen yesterday

Judging by the last couple of laps of Ver/Lec, Ferrari have trimmed the downforce levels for FP2 compared to FP1

[organic]

Merc are running a gurney flap in fp2, was it there in fp1?

Ferrari not looking driveable at all in these conditions. Couple of offs and a lockup so far for them

Merc also struggling with tyre temps

[vanburin]

Merc are running a gurney flap in fp2, was it there in fp1?

Ferrari not looking driveable at all in these conditions. Couple of offs and a lockup so far for them

They definitely do look to be struggling with grip, either temperature based or the lower DF wing.

[chrisc90]

Merc are running a gurney flap in fp2, was it there in fp1?

Ferrari not looking driveable at all in these conditions. Couple of offs and a lockup so far for them

Merc also struggling with tyre temps

And a couple lock ups into turn 1. Running across the chicane.

Leclerc had a lockup too on the mediums

[chrisc90]

Mercedes going for flashbacks

[Sieper]

Oooohwwf, Mercedes had To long run on the white, started to rain, and Lewis almost lost it up the radillion. Heavy snap. Caught it quickly though. Spectacular.

[organic]

Oooohwwf, Mercedes had To long run on the white, started to rain, and Lewis almost lost it up the radillion. Heavy snap. Caught it quickly though. Spectacular.

If anyone finds the clip of that, I'd appreciate seeing it! Was a brilliant save

[RZS10]

yep: "If more than one (1) driver is required to start the race from the back of the grid they will be arranged in qualifying practice order."

Ah. I'm sure it used to be based on the order they took the penalty. I wonder when it changed. It makes sense to make it based on pace, I guess.

Isn't that the rule for if they don't set a qualifying time?

To elaborate on what organic wrote since it's always interesting to know where it's coming from (at least to me): It's in the sporting regs 28 PU & 29 RNC and 42 (41 for sprint weekend)

28.3

If a driver incurs a penalty exceeding fifteen (15) grid places he will be required to start the race from the back of the starting grid.

42.3.d)

Once the grid has been established [...] grid penalties for any driver required to start the race from the back of the grid after incurring a penalty under Article 28.3 will be applied.
i) If more than one (1) driver is required to start the race from the back of the grid they will be arranged in qualifying order.

Edit: it might be a bit more complicated than that viewtopic.php?p=1084047#p1084047

[Just_a_fan]

Schumacher +20
Bottas +25
Leclerc +25
Norris +30
Verstappen +45
Ocon +60

All >15 = end of grid - will be a quali session in the quali session for those at the back.

Won't they go in order of severity of penalty? IE Ocon will be last because his penalty is largest?

No, they changed the rule this year. It was also mentioned by the commentators during FP2.

[Cs98]

Ah. I'm sure it used to be based on the order they took the penalty. I wonder when it changed. It makes sense to make it based on pace, I guess.

Isn't that the rule for if they don't set a qualifying time?

To elaborate on what organic wrote since it's always interesting to know where it's coming from (at least to me): It's in the sporting regs 28 PU & 29 RNC and 42 (41 for sprint weekend)

28.3

If a driver incurs a penalty exceeding fifteen (15) grid places he will be required to start the race from the back of the starting grid.

42.3.d)

Once the grid has been established [...] grid penalties for any driver required to start the race from the back of the grid after incurring a penalty under Article 28.3 will be applied.
i) If more than one (1) driver is required to start the race from the back of the grid they will be arranged in qualifying order.

So shouldn't Leclerc and Bottas then also "start the race from the back of the grid" when you add 15 places for PU and 10 for RNC? Or is it just PU?

Because Sam Collins was saying Leclerc would automatically start ahead of Verstappen with his penalites.

[Just_a_fan]

Is Max going to get a penalty for a practice start infringement? It was noted by the stewards.

[organic]

Isn't that the rule for if they don't set a qualifying time?

To elaborate on what organic wrote since it's always interesting to know where it's coming from (at least to me): It's in the sporting regs 28 PU & 29 RNC and 42 (41 for sprint weekend)

28.3

If a driver incurs a penalty exceeding fifteen (15) grid places he will be required to start the race from the back of the starting grid.

42.3.d)

Once the grid has been established [...] grid penalties for any driver required to start the race from the back of the grid after incurring a penalty under Article 28.3 will be applied.
i) If more than one (1) driver is required to start the race from the back of the grid they will be arranged in qualifying order.

So shouldn't Leclerc and Bottas then also "start the race from the back of the grid" when you add 15 places for PU and 10 for RNC? Or is it just PU?

Because Sam Collins was saying Leclerc would automatically start ahead of Verstappen with his penalites.

I believe a penalty only counts as "back of the grid" when it exceeds 15 places