2022 Belgian Grand Prix - Spa-Francorchamps - Aug 26 - 28

[Juzh]

I think ferrari is sandbagging a lot. Running monza wing they're still ~7 km/h slower on top end, but only on kemmel straight. They're obviously not 8 tenths off. Same with mercedes, they will be a lot closer tomorrow.

Ver fp2 lap 1.45.507

[Sieper]

Of course. Ferrari took most poles this year and Mercedes the last one. They aren’t fooling anyone.

[RZS10]

Had another look at the regulations, in particular the bit about ...
42.3 The Grid

a) [... normal quali positions...]
b) [... for those without a time set ...]

c) Once the grid has been established [...] grid position penalties will be applied to the drivers in question.

i) The driver with the higher classification from the qualifying practice session will have precedence.

[it's a change from the order in which the offences were commited but otherwise the rules are very similar]

d) Once the grid has been established in accordance with Article 42.3a), 42.3b) and 42.3c), grid penalties for any driver required to start the race from the back of the grid after incurring a penalty under Article 28.3 will be applied.

i) If more than one (1) driver is required to start the race from the back of the grid they will be arranged in qualifying order.

So i believe it's understandable that there is some confusion tbh and i might have made a mistake in adding up the PU and RNC penalties since 42.3.d) explicitly mentions 'end of the grid' from 28.3 (PU) but nothing about 29 (RNC).

On the PU side the total penalties are:
Schumacher +10
Bottas +15
Leclerc +15
Norris +30
Verstappen +40
Ocon +60

Only the last three exceed 15, so are end of grid penalties according to 28.3

On the RNC side:
Bottas +10
Leclerc +10
Schumacher +10
Verstappen +5

So in theory when going through the regs in order of the paragraphs you put them in their respective quali spots apart from the end of grid starters.

Then you add the penalties:
+20 Mick (10PU + 10RNC)
+25 Valtteri (15PU + 10RNC)
+25 Charles (15PU + 10RNC)

Behind those you will then have the end of grid guys:
Lando, Max and Esteban in Quali order but 100% behind the three above.

Edit:
I forgot that they publish decision documents for those penalties and those are consistent with what i wrote for both PU and RNC apart from Leclerc.
For him the doc only has a grid drop of 5 for a new CE yet the new PU element doc has him with a new MGU-K (his 5th so +5) and ES (3rd so +10) for a total of +15 but does not mention the CE at all - so he either got more than +15 and is end of grid or they just messed up their docs, Ferrari might be putting in the new components separately as well.

[yamahasho]

So they spent €80 million and Eau Rouge is still flat out, other than it looking cool to see the cars spark, why leave it?

Why not make it curve more for the left since they made space for more runoff. I would go further and say make it a sharper chicane to encourage some overtaking.

I see no point in the turns being flat out in any f1 circuit, f1 must have some reasoning to keep that corner as is.

[RZS10]

Other racing series use that track as well and it's not flat in many of them, a large part of the changes was explicitly to allow motorcycle racing.

[yamahasho]

I see, I wonder if they wanted the drivers to follow closer knowing they can take a greater risk knowing they have more run off despite the turbulent air. Should be interesting too see the race.

[Just_a_fan]

So they spent €80 million and Eau Rouge is still flat out, other than it looking cool to see the cars spark, why leave it?

Why not make it curve more for the left since they made space for more runoff. I would go further and say make it a sharper chicane to encourage some overtaking.

I see no point in the turns being flat out in any f1 circuit, f1 must have some reasoning to keep that corner as is.

They made a chicane there once, in 1994, and it was rubbish.

[chrisc90]

Where’s dialtone?

Missing his analysis and race runs.

Anyone have any race run data?

[yamahasho]

I see the 94 one, interesting only 1 spin out near it from the short YouTube clips, I’m sure they have their reasoning to keep it flat out, let’s see how the race goes.

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Had another look at the regulations, in particular the bit about ...

[...]

thanks for your explanation, makes sense to me. But as announced in a later document, Leclerc also got a new CE, so that +20 for him, as far as I can see (+10 for the new ES and +5 for each of the other two elements), also moving him to the back of the grid

[organic]

Where’s dialtone?

Missing his analysis and race runs.

Anyone have any race run data?

Zoom in to see the numbers. Each square is a lap. Barely any data

[search]

apart from Schumacher, no one did more than three or four proper laps on high fuel. Most did none at all.

[organic]

Additionally, Perez @ 344kph . I will await confirmation from Dialtone but given those figures and their wing level, it is obvious that Ferrari were running heavily detuned on the engine

[organic]

Where’s dialtone?

Missing his analysis and race runs.

Anyone have any race run data?

https://www.reddit.com/r/formula1/comme ... telemetry/

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https://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/for ... dominiert/

Has some quotes from drivers/principles I haven't seen elsewhere.