2022 Belgian Grand Prix - Spa-Francorchamps - Aug 26 - 28

[langedweil]

Max will have the most wins per season. There is no one to stop him. Literally no one to stop him. 9 wins so far and we have like what? 8 races left? 17 wins in one season is nuts!

I think Mercedes will win the next one, when the real update package comes.

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We'll save that one ..

[napoleon1981]

I think Mercedes will win the next one, when the real update package comes.

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We'll save that one ..

for the record, it was sarcasm.

[mendis]

You have to leave a car's width on track - the white line defines where the track exists. Outside of the white line is not "on the track", it's outside the track. So that's slam dunk a breach of the rule.

On the whole, it was piss poor driving and the only reason Perez and Leclerc didn't end up in a race ending contact is because Leclerc got out of the way..

Hamilton got a penalty - he didn't finish lap 1.

not finishing the lap isn’t the problem though. We have seen penalties carry over to the next race where either a car at fault has retired or the decision was made after the chequered flag. Bottas last year springs to mind when he went bowling at turn 1.


Either way, stewards probably know better than anyone commenting on here

The stewards looked at it and stated that it was a first lap incident. No doubt they noted that Alonso carried on whilst Hamilton DNF'd and decided that the outcome was fair.

Perez didn't have the "first lap incident" excuse - he knew exactly what he was doing and has form. Heck, he's put his own team mate in the wall on more than one occasion in the past.

The sad thing is that Perez didn't need to do that. He had the car to race cleanly and beat Leclerc - as he proved by driving away from him.

Is "First lap incident" an excuse for bad driving? First corner is understandable, but the whole of first lap? That's stupid on FIA's part and equally stupid on anyone using that to justify clumsy driving.

[e30ernest]

Awesome job by Max! That was an amazing comeback! Great passes all around to grab that win.

Perez should have won given the RB's massive pace advantage, but he still got caught by Max. He'll be doing some head scratching tonight.

Sainz did well I think. That Ferrari was bouncing badly.

Charles... he really needs to get some good luck coming his way. He basically got Mario Karted:



Lewis.... that was a horrible rookie mistake there. IMO he should have been penalized for that. He did own-up to it later on (on interviews) but yeah, if he didn't make that mistake, he could have gotten another podium at least.

[Andres125sx]

Alonso being a sore loser , once more showing he's never gotten over it despite the passing of 15 years. It was a racing incident and the driver at fault paid for it.

Actually, it´s exactly the opposite, Hamilton never got over it, so he tries to prove he´s faster than Alonso without team and FIA favouring him, so he tries to prove himself every single time he´s around Alonso on the track.

This was exactly the same as the end of 2007 season, with Lewis overreacting and making silly mistakes while trying to beat Alonso

As Alonso said, cutting someone from the outside is plain stupid

[Sevach]

I think Mercedes will win the next one, when the real update package comes.

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We'll save that one ..

These magical Mercedes upgrade packages, since the preseason waiting for them to fix the car

[Sevach]

So on the 3 incidents that occurred on the track…. What would you have given?

Perez/leclerc
Alonso/ham
The Williams spinning out…

Perez maybe deserved 5s for that utterly unnecessary squeeze on Charles.
Hamilton's fault, maybe 3/5 grid penalty... stewards do tend to let it go when the guy at fault ends up on the losing side, so nothing new.
Latifi... i don't think there's anything to do here, just an unlucky gift for poor Bottas.

[sosic2121]

Penalty for Perez there. Didn't leave a car's width when he came back on line. But nothing will happen, of course.

I agree. And I don't think it's a team bias thing, just stupidity. I don't understand that. Why leclerc needs to crash for Perez to get the penalty?!

Where do you class a cars width in that scenario though? Do you ignore the kerb and use the white line, or do you allow the width of the kerb to allow a near cars width?

White line. I think drivers usually don't break on that kerb, so leclerc was pushed there.

[saviour stivala]

Alonso being a sore loser , once more showing he's never gotten over it despite the passing of 15 years. It was a racing incident and the driver at fault paid for it.

Actually, it´s exactly the opposite, Hamilton never got over it, so he tries to prove he´s faster than Alonso without team and FIA favouring him, so he tries to prove himself every single time he´s around Alonso on the track.

This was exactly the same as the end of 2007 season, with Lewis overreacting and making silly mistakes while trying to beat Alonso

As Alonso said, cutting someone from the outside is plain stupid

Can’t you people show some sympathy with the kid? He nearly broke his back and afterward had to walk it back which will result in never speaking to Alonso again. The good guys done the right thing after their boy missed winning the promised race and converged on the FERRARI page to let of steam.

[kalinka]

Alonso being a sore loser , once more showing he's never gotten over it despite the passing of 15 years. It was a racing incident and the driver at fault paid for it.

Actually, it´s exactly the opposite, Hamilton never got over it, so he tries to prove he´s faster than Alonso without team and FIA favouring him, so he tries to prove himself every single time he´s around Alonso on the track.

This was exactly the same as the end of 2007 season, with Lewis overreacting and making silly mistakes while trying to beat Alonso

As Alonso said, cutting someone from the outside is plain stupid

- It's more like Alonso didn't got over it yet.

- Alonso has much more to prove. Jumping teams every few years without any success and ending them like no tomorrow is quite telling about his personality. He could have at least 1-2 more championships without his diva moves.

- I don't think you can honestly think Lewis doesn't know what can be a consequence of cutting someone from the outside. It was a simple misjudgment nothing more. Calling it stupid tells more about Alonso than of Lewis.

Putting a childish 6x LOL's at the end of your post doesn't help your argument either.

[chrisc90]

It was a bit stupid though really wasn’t it?

I mean Lewis said he didn’t know where Alonso was due to a blind spot - fair comment. But he literally passed him in the braking zone then cut across the front of him. How clear of the back of his car did he expect Alonso to be? Did he just expect Alonso to just stop once Lewis was alongside?

[Mogster]

Hamilton was in front entering the corner, Alonso could have got out of it. In fact if anyone else was on the outside and in front Nando would most likely have eased off.

It was obvious what was going to happen, Alonso has full view but still keeps his nose firmly in, Hamilton’s right rear hits his front left. At what point does the guy in front have the right take the racing line and the guy behind with the best view have to take responsibility for avoiding a collision? If neither gave it up then they were going to collide, Alonso had a perfect view, however deep on Hamilton’s right he knows Hamilton isn’t going to be able to see him , Alonso knows this. He won’t give it up because it’s Hamilton, and whenever Nando is in front of Hamilton he fights like a tiger whatever the circumstances.

[DChemTech]

Hamilton was in front entering the corner, Alonso could have got out of it. In fact if anyone else was on the outside and in front Nando would most likely have eased off.

It was obvious what was going to happen, Alonso has full view but still keeps his nose firmly in, Hamilton’s right rear hits his front left. At what point does the guy in front have the right take the racing line and the guy behind with the best view have to take responsibility for avoiding a collision? If neither gave it up then they were going to collide, Alonso had a perfect view, however deep on Hamilton’s right he knows Hamilton isn’t going to be able to see him , Alonso knows this. He won’t give it up because it’s Hamilton, and whenever Nando is in front of Hamilton he fights like a tiger whatever the circumstances.

Everytime Silverstone is brought up, Hamilton fans argue that the collision was actually Max' fault because he cut to the inside. Exactly like Hamilton did now. Now, many of the same fans are shoving the blame in alonso (who, in contrast to Ham last year, was all the way on the curb) for not backing off. So, which is in then: is the outside car diving in while partially ahead to blame, or the inside car for not backing out? You can't have it both ways. Yet the answer here, for many, seems to be: whatever Lewis did was the right thing.

There's also a few people that say: even if max was entitled to the corner it was stupid of him to claim it. Well, I think the same applies here; even if Lewis was entitled to the corner, it was stupid of him to claim it.

[Mogster]

Hamilton was in front entering the corner, Alonso could have got out of it. In fact if anyone else was on the outside and in front Nando would most likely have eased off.

It was obvious what was going to happen, Alonso has full view but still keeps his nose firmly in, Hamilton’s right rear hits his front left. At what point does the guy in front have the right take the racing line and the guy behind with the best view have to take responsibility for avoiding a collision? If neither gave it up then they were going to collide, Alonso had a perfect view, however deep on Hamilton’s right he knows Hamilton isn’t going to be able to see him , Alonso knows this. He won’t give it up because it’s Hamilton, and whenever Nando is in front of Hamilton he fights like a tiger whatever the circumstances.

Everytime Silverstone is brought up, Hamilton fans argue that the collision was actually Max' fault because he cut to the inside. Exactly like Hamilton did now. Now, many of the same fans are shoving the blame in alonso (who, in contrast to Ham last year, was all the way on the curb) for not backing off. So, which is in then: is the outside car diving in while partially ahead to blame, or the inside car for not backing out? You can't have it both ways. Yet the answer here, for many, seems to be: whatever Lewis did was the right thing.

There's also a few people that say: even if max was entitled to the corner it was stupid of him to claim it. Well, I think the same applies here; even if Lewis was entitled to the corner, it was stupid of him to claim it.

Agreed, Hamilton must know Alonso would never back out. That doesn’t make it Alonso’s corner though.

[sosic2121]

Agreed, Hamilton must know Alonso would never back out. That doesn’t make it Alonso’s corner though.

Maybe he thought it's ocon