2022 Scuderia Ferrari F1 Team

[Fer.Fan]

I have always believed that the drivers in the team should have similar requirements for the car and similar driving style. Perhaps Ferrari began to improve F1-75 so that Carlos felt more confident, but this weakened Leclerc. RB did exactly the opposite.
Or Leclerc should sit in the RB with Max, or Max in the Ferrari with him. Both can handle a car with an unstable rear. With all the red-suited clowns, Max will never be there, and Leclerc's patience may run out before his contract expires.

Ferrari has fallen behind Mercedes now. Development war is lost…

[Xwang]

I fell that for the second time in three years Ferrari has bet everything on exploiting a loophole.
Once the loophole has been closed, the performance has gone and project need to start from scratch with two years of aero development lost in following that loophole. So game over until next rule reshuffle for Ferrari.

[jumpingfish]

I have always believed that the drivers in the team should have similar requirements for the car and similar driving style. Perhaps Ferrari began to improve F1-75 so that Carlos felt more confident, but this weakened Leclerc. RB did exactly the opposite.
Or Leclerc should sit in the RB with Max, or Max in the Ferrari with him. Both can handle a car with an unstable rear. With all the red-suited clowns, Max will never be there, and Leclerc's patience may run out before his contract expires.

Ferrari has fallen behind Mercedes now. Development war is lost…

It is Binotto's master plan: lower in WCC - more time for windtunnel and CFD

[Xyz22]

Next 8 races are going to be really depressing from a performance perspective

As predicted.

This season is the exact carbon copy of 2017 but everything happened faster:

Clueless driver management
Trying to help the slower driver. Today Sainz was 0.5s slower in a 1.15s track.
Incapability of blocking a TD with a negative impact on performance
Incapability of responding to that TD from a technical point of view
Embarrassing strategies
Embarrassing pit stops

There was never a chance to block TD.

Every concept has it strongs and lows, not every car responds the same to these changes.

Other points are correct. After all, if they manage to keep 2nd in WCC this is an upward trajectory from disaster of 2020. I just hope that all these errors and blunders give something next year. Learn from that. Then it can be forgiven.

This is nothing new. In 2017 Ferrari was --- over by the oil burning / flexi floors TDs.
Moreover, it was clear after SPA and this weekend that the Team has absolutely no clue about how the car works after the TD. They changed set up 10 times over the week end and Charles still wasn't happy.

[sunny1304r]

The problem for Lec is there is not a top team for him to move.

[Xwang]

I have always believed that the drivers in the team should have similar requirements for the car and similar driving style. Perhaps Ferrari began to improve F1-75 so that Carlos felt more confident, but this weakened Leclerc. RB did exactly the opposite.
Or Leclerc should sit in the RB with Max, or Max in the Ferrari with him. Both can handle a car with an unstable rear. With all the red-suited clowns, Max will never be there, and Leclerc's patience may run out before his contract expires.

Ferrari has fallen behind Mercedes now. Development war is lost…

It is Binotto's master plan: lower in WCC - more time for windtunnel and CFD

To do what? To throw them and a lot more pursing another easy to found easy to close loophole?

[mendis]

I am starting to believe the TD has hurt the car. On top of that, their inefficient operations is making it impossible to compete. This is not what we envisage at the beginning of the year.

[Alonsismo]

hamilton broke some parts of the Sainzs floor

[LM10]

I fell that for the second time in three years Ferrari has bet everything on exploiting a loophole.
Once the loophole has been closed, the performance has gone and project need to start from scratch with two years of aero development lost in following that loophole. So game over until next rule reshuffle for Ferrari.

You’re over exaggerating big time considering it was Charles’ pole to lose yesterday has he not screwed it in S2.

Ferrari might have been impacted by the TD, but surely not to the point they need to change the complete car design. It was a small loophole after all.

What is more of a reason for Ferrari’s pace deficit is the lack of upgrades in my opinion. Over the season they’ve brought 2 floors, only a tiny change to the engine cover, several rear wings with different downforce levels, a lower downforce beam wing configuration and some changes to the “bargeboard” area. Most of them as a single upgrade package. That’s it mostly.
On the other hand, RedBull has been upgrading their car almost every race.

From now on Ferrari completely need to focus on the 2023 car and whatever they decide to bring to the F1-75, it should be with 2023 in mind.

[Xyz22]

I fell that for the second time in three years Ferrari has bet everything on exploiting a loophole.
Once the loophole has been closed, the performance has gone and project need to start from scratch with two years of aero development lost in following that loophole. So game over until next rule reshuffle for Ferrari.

You’re over exaggerating big time considering it was Charles’ pole to lose yesterday has he not screwed it in S2.

Ferrari might have been impacted by the TD, but surely not to the point they need to change the complete car design. It was a small loophole after all.

What is more of a reason for Ferrari’s pace deficit is the lack of upgrades in my opinion. Over the season they’ve brought 2 floors, only a tiny change to the engine cover, several rear wings with different downforce levels, a lower downforce beam wing configuration and some changes to the “bargeboard” area. Most of them as a single upgrade package. That’s it mostly.
On the other hand, RedBull has been upgrading their car almost every race.

From now on Ferrari completely need to focus on the 2023 car and whatever they decide to bring to the F1-75, it should be with 2023 in mind.

The real F1 75 would have been on pole with 0.5 / 0.6s advantage in this track.

[organic]

Ferrari has not solved the problems at Spa.
On a high load circuit where it would have dominated (according to pre-TD39 races) it keeps slipping and overheating especially with Sainz, or not finding more consistency in the long run. Leclerc performed a miracle today.

[Xwang]

I fell that for the second time in three years Ferrari has bet everything on exploiting a loophole.
Once the loophole has been closed, the performance has gone and project need to start from scratch with two years of aero development lost in following that loophole. So game over until next rule reshuffle for Ferrari.

You’re over exaggerating big time considering it was Charles’ pole to lose yesterday has he not screwed it in S2.

Ferrari might have been impacted by the TD, but surely not to the point they need to change the complete car design. It was a small loophole after all.

What is more of a reason for Ferrari’s pace deficit is the lack of upgrades in my opinion. Over the season they’ve brought 2 floors, only a tiny change to the engine cover, several rear wings with different downforce levels, a lower downforce beam wing configuration and some changes to the “bargeboard” area. Most of them as a single upgrade package. That’s it mostly.
On the other hand, RedBull has been upgrading their car almost every race.

From now on Ferrari completely need to focus on the 2023 car and whatever they decide to bring to the F1-75, it should be with 2023 in mind.

The real F1 75 would have been on pole with 0.5 / 0.6s advantage in this track.

I think exactly the same.
If we consider Saturday performance as good it means tha RB is as fast as Ferrari in high downforce tracks and way faster in race trims , a lot more faster in tracks that requires high efficiency or low drag. So RB is way faster.
If instead Ferrari would have been able to get pole with half a second advance and would have been faster in race it would have been that f1-75 didn't get its high downforce only by exploiting a loophole.

[Xyz22]

Also there is another issue on the horizon that is keeping Leclerc after 2024.

Next year will be key already.

[JPower]

Looks like Sainz will take a penalty at Monza.

New PU is 2kg lighter.

Binotto says Leclerc was unlucky in strategy, think Sainz possibly had damage from the Hamilton skirmish.

Either way, this definitely isn’t the F1-75 of earlier in the season regarding tire wear.

[f1316]

The issue is not that the car is not fast after a TD - we should avoid giving simplistic analysis similar to the press - as the car is still, as it has been all along, fast on a single lap. Really pole was there for the taking.

But, as has also been the case all season but is now getting steadily worse, the Ferrari has worse deg than their rivals. I don’t necessarily see any reason that this has anything to do with the TD - we saw it in Miami for example, in Baku - but it does seem to be getting worse as the season progresses. Seems like somehow they need to find a different way to set the car up for the race - as with the current cars you can’t hold the lead even if you do get pole - but tbh hopefully they’ve already switched attention to next year as this one is already a lost cause.