2022 Dutch Grand Prix - Zandvoort, Sep 02 - 04

[Neuron]

Yuki don't know what to say

Verstappen is not fightning Hamilton this season. RBR is waaay ahead of Mercedes and actually their closest opponent is Ferrari.

And what do you mean? RBR forced Tsunoda to do Monaco's like Piquet to stop Mercedes? For what purpose?
On previous season... ok. But this year? oO

[JordanMugen]

Is there maybe a case to have 'safe areas' to retire cars into?

The pit lane?

Sometimes in US street circuits they can park behind the double row of tyres in the runoff areas, but street or permanent F1 circuits are not usually configured like that.

[chrisc90]

The mediums plan was logical with a buffer. But it still would not bave worked in the end.

Two on softs still would not have worked because of the pace of the car. Before allof this Max walked the field let's not forget.

When you had the second safety car that plan goes out the window. The 1 stop strategy goes clean out the window.

There was 2 scenarios.

Pit Lewis under the SC for a set of soft tyres, hope RB don’t pit in order to keep track position. Even if Lewis ended up 2nd place, being on the same tyre as near enough the rest of the grid puts you on the same playing field.

2 on softs would have absolutely worked. Stick some team orders in to protect Lewis for the 2nd place.

Sometimes keeping track position isn’t the way to go when the rest of the field is on a faster and softer tyre.

It’s absolute basics.

No.

Max pitted for softs under VSC for his second stop. So he already had the advantage in the case of a safety car.

NO. Did you see the race?

Max was on old mediums, he pitted under VSC for HARD tyres.

Few laps later the SC comes out and puts the softs on.

There was no 2nd VSC.

[maseboogie]

I know there is smell, that's why I ask people to think about it for a bit; why on earth would a team that leads by this much risk it all for a single race win? That's simply absurd.

Because they'll get away with it

These conspiracies are so ludicrous, they induce the biggest facepalm ever. So big, one might call it a spacepalm.

Seriously. You can feel the pain in their hearts over the result of the race

[Spacepace]

Yuki don't know what to say

Verstappen is not fightning Hamilton this season. RBR is waaay ahead of Mercedes and actually their closest opponent is Ferrari.

And what do you mean? RBR forced Tsunoda to do Monaco's like Piquet to stop Mercedes? For what purpose?
On previous season... ok. But this year? oO

Monaco like Piquet???

[Mchamilton]

Yuki don't know what to say

Verstappen is not fightning Hamilton this season. RBR is waaay ahead of Mercedes and actually their closest opponent is Ferrari.

And what do you mean? RBR forced Tsunoda to do Monaco's like Piquet to stop Mercedes? For what purpose?
On previous season... ok. But this year? oO

Nah of course not, its just funny, like he knew the possible accusations about the situation, or he just simply didn't know what the hell was goin on himself

[PlatinumZealot]

Anyone knows whether Lewis asked for softs?

It would have been the sweetest victory.

[Poleman]

https://streamable.com/pur1b3

Max's lift before crossing the line. Prevents him from overtaking before allowed

Based on that clip,why is Verstappen allowed to lift and not Hamilton? Isn't this considered erratic driving? (Russel was behind).If its tactical then the leader would be allowed to apply tactics (unless you cannot because you are in P1?)

Mercedes straight line speed is a joke.

Second that!

[chrisc90]

https://www.bbc.com/sport/live/formula1/58920041/page/5

Tab back towards the first page.

15.04. VSC

15:06

Max Verstappen goes for the hard tyres but Lewis Hamilton also comes in. Mediums for the Mercedes man.

Double stack for the Silver Arrows as George Russell comes in too for a set of medium rubber.

15:07

Track is green.

VER, HAM, RUS

15:15
Safety car

15:16
Max pits for softs

HAM,RUS, VER.

15:23
Top three
1. Lewis Hamilton (Mercedes, mediums)

2. Max Verstappen (Red Bull, softs)

3. George Russell (Mercedes, softs)

That was lap 60.

So yeah, PZ, your a little bit wrong

[Neuron]

Monaco like Piquet???

My bad, it was Singapore /facepalm

[mendis]

Anyone knows whether Lewis asked for softs?

It would have been the sweetest victory.

How? Max on softs ahead and Lewis behind. What was the odds for Lewis?

[ringo]

Stopping in the pitlane itself isn't a safe place to stop as cars can't navigate past you? All I can think of.

You can stop in the pitlane. The car just needs to pull over to the right of the blue strip.

[DChemTech]

It's less than 1% chance, it's zero.

No, if there was really misconduct, it's not zero. Slim, maybe, but not zero. And no win is worth that risk in this situation. Not even a home grandprix.

That's just your opinion on what you think Red Bull's assessment of risk is. That doesn't mean that it is the case. So you can repeat that in as many ways as you can but doesn't change that is your opinion because really we don't know Red Bull's thought on the risk of it.

FIA still need to investigate things like this to keep the sport honest

Fine, have them investigate, but stop the allegations of misconduct until there is proof of guilt. Innocent until proven guilty is typically the standard even when malice is likely, but here, the standard seems to be to imply malice by default, no matter how absurd the notion is given the circumstances.

[Mchamilton]

Anyone knows whether Lewis asked for softs?

It would have been the sweetest victory.

How? Max on softs ahead and Lewis behind. What was the odds for Lewis?

Zero

[ringo]

This is one ot the most dominant seasons for any car. We are back to the vettel redbull days.