2022 Italian Grand Prix - Monza, Sep 09 - 11

[chrisc90]

Has anyone gone back and looked at how they sorted Spa grid out since its probably very similar?

[chrisc90]

Great start by the FIA when they cant even name the document right. Does seem wrong.

[07Patches]

How are grid penalties difficult to adhere to? And why should anyone with a 5 place grid penalty only start 2 places back?
Easy example.....
P2 quali 5 place penalty=p7.
P5 with 10 place penalty=p15
Drivers without penalty are jumped up more positions, otherwise the grid penalty isn't even?

Gets slightly muddied at the back of the grid, but bigger penalties should start behind smaller penalties.
So back of grid should be back of grid, behind a p12 quali with 10 place penalty.

I don't understand making it any different to that...... surely anything different is ridiculous and unfair?

[kediown]

Great start by the FIA when they cant even name the document right. Does seem wrong.

Now they posted a corrected one which is provisional as it's title is.

[kediown]

Great start by the FIA when they cant even name the document right. Does seem wrong.

Now they posted a corrected one which is provisional as it's title is.

[Cs98]

How are grid penalties difficult to adhere to? And why should anyone with a 5 place grid penalty only start 2 places back?
Easy example.....
P2 quali 5 place penalty=p7.
P5 with 10 place penalty=p15
Drivers without penalty are jumped up more positions, otherwise the grid penalty isn't even?

Gets slightly muddied at the back of the grid, but bigger penalties should start behind smaller penalties.
So back of grid should be back of grid, behind a p12 quali with 10 place penalty.

I don't understand making it any different to that...... surely anything different is ridiculous and unfair?

To flip it. Why should Daniel, Fernando and Pierre start ahead of Max? Max qualified ahead of them with his penalty added on. Fernando didn't even set a time in Q3. But now P10 is ahead of P7 for some reason.

[SparkyAMG]

Pretty sure it's calculated like this... all penalised drivers have a grid slot earmarked based on their quali position plus their penalty:

7. Verstappen (2 + 5)
14. Perez (4 + 10)
16. Ocon (11 + 5)
27. Bottas (12 + 15)
34. Magnussen (19 + 15)
35. Schumacher (20 + 15)

Then, back of the grid is set (in quali order):
Sainz
Hamilton
Tsunoda

At this point, everyone else is shuffled forward into a non-earmarked slot, which takes us up to Stroll in 12th.

The penalised drivers then line up behind that in the order above.

[Juzh]

Pretty sure it's calculated like this... all penalised drivers have a grid slot earmarked based on their quali position plus their penalty:

7. Verstappen (2 + 5)
14. Perez (4 + 10)
16. Ocon (11 + 5)
27. Bottas (12 + 15)
34. Magnussen (19 + 15)
35. Schumacher (20 + 15)

This is true. Verstappen himself explains it nicely in post quali interview:
https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/vide ... 99779.html

It's been said 2 or 3 years ago that you have to take full penalty, and it doesn't matter if people behind you also have a penalty

Glad there's no confusion in their camp at least. They knew full well where they'll start in any case.

[Mr5in1]

Redbull could have poled easily but decided the run higher wing instead. I think at this stage they are just playing around and trying stuff.
They will win with Max. He will clear up to Georg by lap 10.
George does have a chance of winning if Max get knocked out of the race.
I am not vrry confident in Ferrari for some reason. I just see it hard for Leclerc to win.

Lewis and Sainz may try something different but only a safety car can help them.

Agree with all of this except I see Max past everyone except Charles by lap 5 barring any incidents.

[BlueCheetah66]

I think the real question is do you view it as through qualifying, have you earned the right to start X positions ahead of drivers who qualified behind you or have you earned the right to start X positions behind the drivers who qualified ahead of you? If it is the first, then it would make sense for Max to start P4 after the penalty. But if its the second one it makes sense for Max to start P7. That clearly is the one they have picked, which I am fine with that but I want them to clarify that in the rules as there seem to be no rules that state the case.

[Juzh]

Head to head Lec vs Ver with live-gap
https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/vide ... 37076.html

Basically as predicted red bull is just not very fast on straights when not under DRS, and equal at best when DRS is active. Unless tyres fall off for Lec he's got a legit chance for a win. Like-for-like I don't believe Verstappen has got any chance of overtaking him on track. We've seen in the past higher downforce cars can have A LOT of problems overtaking slippy cars even when they're half a second or even a full second faster over the lap. Bold strategy from red bull going down that road, doing a 180 from their usual modus operandi this year. Personally I think it'll backfire (if you can say that for P2), but lets wait and see.

[Shal_Leg16]

It's very stupid to ask those questions about who won, depsite knowing what happened in those races.

Here we go.

Ignore the facts and create some some fictitious parameters to suggest the RB18 is not the cream of the field.

The RedBull has got the “cream of the field” only in the last couple of races (for whatever reason). Before that, Ferrari has simply shot themselves so many times and created this big point’s gap both in WDC and WCC. It says absolutely zero about actual car performance. I’ve never seen a season in which the points showed such an utterly unrepresentative picture regarding car performance like in the actual season. The F1-75 has been the class of the field more often than the RB18.

BS.

No doubt Ferrari has fu*ked up but RB has always has had a upper hand in race day except for Bahrain the frist race.
1. Superior Straight line speed
2. comparatively less tyre degradation then Ferrari

that has been the general theme through out the season barring few specific tracks here n there. the guy is winning races starting from 14th, 10th ffs and you guys still don't want to admit overall they have the best package .

i dont get why max fans never admit this, why they cant fathom a possibility that may be he is dominating with the help of best car + team.
Even last year after the initial changes to floor that impacted Mercedes more ( and actually suiter RB's high rake car ) the frist 10-12 races in which max went on to win 7-8 back to back .. during that phase that RB was the best car on the field. its only after the summer break Mercedes made a comeback.

This is not to take away any credit from Max, he is definitely one of the best but even the best of the bests like Shumi, Senna were only helped by the best car so there is no shame in admitting it.

[Hammerfist]

Here we go.

Ignore the facts and create some some fictitious parameters to suggest the RB18 is not the cream of the field.

Cream of the field? No. Margarine of the meadow? Maybe.

[Big Tea]

The leaders start catching the tail end quite soon here, so that is another loose rug that could come into play

[dxpetrov]

I think what happened actually RB didn't want to develop a Monza spec rear wing and knew they would not get the pole and would start lower. So they reckon why not as well take a new engine since they woyld be able to recover quite fast anyways and beat them by more downforce. It's a long shot, but quite plausible...