2022 Italian Grand Prix - Monza, Sep 09 - 11

[DChemTech]

Have we ever seen such a gap, so early in the season between the 1st and 2nd in the WDC ? 2011 ?

2011 ended on a 122 point difference, with a gap of 124 points after Singapore (112 after Italy). Singapore was race 14. Currently we're on race 16 - so the gap was worse back then.
Interestingly, both back then and now, it's between drivers of different teams.

[Poleman]

AD 2021 is long gone but still after today its understandable why people keep bringing it up . The problem its not in the rules.The rules was fine last year and it was fine today.Thats how AD should have ended.The teams lobbying under the "Let them race" narrative is what is/was sickening.Im not targeting RedBull and Horner solely.Ferrari/Mercedes and preety much every team and their respective team bosses would do the same in the same situation.I didn't hear any complaints for the team in the lead today or pushing things to get back racing like last year.Masi was fired and the race result was deemed a "human error" to just mask the Verstappen/RedBull favouritism in winning the title and whoever thinks thats not the case then thats sad. That's what makes people sick,not the safety car endings -that was the standard rule protocol- but the double standards in the FIA clown organization.

Jumping on 2022 and today's race.What a drive from Nick De Vries! I was rooting for him to keep climbing higher in the order.He really exposed Latifi which i think the guy is a joke and he shouldnt be holding on a seat that so many other people are more worthy of! Verstappen drove really well today combined with a top notch car the outcome was expected.Ferrari had some speed but not enough sadly.Great drives from Sainz and Hamilton from the back of the field.

P.S: Just ban pit stops under SC/VSC altogether.

[Poleman]

After an exciting start to the season its now become a borefest.

Max and RB clearly the fastest

Ferrari like to self harm

Merc praying for 2023

I dont mind that Max is dominating, its more that nothing is happening else where

Every year so far someone was/is going to be dominating.2022 rules did not change that.It could as well be anyone from the top 3 teams.

[Ascari67]

Have we ever seen such a gap, so early in the season between the 1st and 2nd in the WDC ? 2011 ?

2011 ended on a 122 point difference, with a gap of 124 points after Singapore (112 after Italy). Singapore was race 14. Currently we're on race 16 - so the gap was worse back then.
Interestingly, both back then and now, it's between drivers of different teams.

But the whole point of the new changes was to minimise this happening and create racing conditions.
They have completely failed at that.

[organic]

Max passing Russell is no different to Hamilton / Sainz passing people further back. The RB18 is significantly faster, especially at the start of a race, than the W13.

Where the W13 seems to find race pace is by being able to keep the tyres going for longer and thus gaining as others start to fall back with their tyres. The RB18 is just fast from start to finish, especially with Max doing a great job of driving it.

Ah yes must be why Russell dropped straight out of Max's DRS and fell way behind in the first stint.. oh wait

Yes - the Merc isn't as fast as the Red Bull. You've just proved my point, well done.

Well you must've missed the heavy sarcasm. Reality is that Russell hang in Max's DRS for a fair few laps after he was overtaken. His pace on softs was also less than half a second off the rb18 for the first stint once he fell out of the DRS - nowhere near the 1-2s gaps to midfield cars. Please watch live timing if you want to talk about relative pace of cars

Anyway I have no interest in arguing with someone who always pedals out the same bad faith points. Agree to disagree, as I already said

[Cs98]

Have we ever seen such a gap, so early in the season between the 1st and 2nd in the WDC ? 2011 ?

2011 ended on a 122 point difference, with a gap of 124 points after Singapore (112 after Italy). Singapore was race 14. Currently we're on race 16 - so the gap was worse back then.
Interestingly, both back then and now, it's between drivers of different teams.

But the whole point of the new changes was to minimise this happening and create racing conditions.
They have completely failed at that.

Blame your beloved Ferrari for being utterly incompetent despite producing a fast car.

[organic]

Have we ever seen such a gap, so early in the season between the 1st and 2nd in the WDC ? 2011 ?

2011 ended on a 122 point difference, with a gap of 124 points after Singapore (112 after Italy). Singapore was race 14. Currently we're on race 16 - so the gap was worse back then.
Interestingly, both back then and now, it's between drivers of different teams.

But the whole point of the new changes was to minimise this happening and create racing conditions.
They have completely failed at that.

The point of the aero regs was to allow cars to follow one another more closely which they achieved.. why do people always say this nonsense?

[Dr. Acula]

Have we ever seen such a gap, so early in the season between the 1st and 2nd in the WDC ? 2011 ?

2011 ended on a 122 point difference, with a gap of 124 points after Singapore (112 after Italy). Singapore was race 14. Currently we're on race 16 - so the gap was worse back then.
Interestingly, both back then and now, it's between drivers of different teams.

You also have to take into account the changing in point system over the years. 2002 Schumacher also was way ahead of everybody and wrapped both titles up after just about 75% of the season.

Edit, I was wrong, he was WDC after just 11 of 17 races, so after 65% of the season. Compared to that, Verstappen would have to be WDC already to match that.

[Ascari67]

2011 ended on a 122 point difference, with a gap of 124 points after Singapore (112 after Italy). Singapore was race 14. Currently we're on race 16 - so the gap was worse back then.
Interestingly, both back then and now, it's between drivers of different teams.

But the whole point of the new changes was to minimise this happening and create racing conditions.
They have completely failed at that.

The point of the aero regs was to allow cars to follow one another more closely which they achieved.. why do people always say this nonsense?

Why did they want the cars closer ? To race. Did you see the HUGE gaps between the top 6-7 before the SC?

[Big Tea]

AD 2021 is long gone but still after today its understandable why people keep bringing it up . The problem its not in the rules.The rules was fine last year and it was fine today.Thats how AD should have ended.The teams lobbying under the "Let them race" narrative is what is/was sickening.Im not targeting RedBull and Horner solely.Ferrari/Mercedes and preety much every team and their respective team bosses would do the same in the same situation.I didn't hear any complaints for the team in the lead today or pushing things to get back racing like last year.Masi was fired and the race result was deemed a "human error" to just mask the Verstappen/RedBull favouritism in winning the title and whoever thinks thats not the case then thats sad. That's what makes people sick,not the safety car endings -that was the standard rule protocol- but the double standards in the FIA clown organization.

Jumping on 2022 and today's race.What a drive from Nick De Vries! I was rooting for him to keep climbing higher in the order.He really exposed Latifi which i think the guy is a joke and he shouldnt be holding on a seat that so many other people are more worthy of! Verstappen drove really well today combined with a top notch car the outcome was expected.Ferrari had some speed but not enough sadly.Great drives from Sainz and Hamilton from the back of the field.

P.S: Just ban pit stops under SC/VSC altogether.

We have to remember though that Latifi has done a wonderful job of keeping the Williams team in existence and on track. He has fulfilled his ambitions while doing it, so Win/win. Easy to slag him, but he has had his place in history (yes I said had)

[epo]

I don't see how they could be compared. Max was the 2nd fastest on track with 25 lap old softs still doing mid 25s. Looked after his tyres whilst setting very quick laps. He was fastest on track with used mediums compared to Leclerc's fresh softs.

Hamilton and Sainz were racing against cars that were 1-2s per lap slower and cut their way through. Max made the win look easy because he was past Russell by lap 4.

P18/p19->near podium is expected with a Ferrari/Merc at this stage. W13 had great pace on Sunday once again before you claim they didn't

But I imagine we'll have to agree to disagree

I agree totally and Sainz had a good race with overtakes, Hamilton did basically nothing just driving and grabbed the position because of his faster car but added nothing to it.

Did nothing? It's fine disliking a guy but you make yourself look a bit silly saying stuff like that.

Well watch the race, he hardly overtake anybody on his first set of tires, profited from the people who pitted and his car was faster anyways and better deg and then went to red tires and overtook a williams, at and a broken Alpine. Don’t make things big if they are not big just_a_hamilton_fan.

[DChemTech]

Have we ever seen such a gap, so early in the season between the 1st and 2nd in the WDC ? 2011 ?

2011 ended on a 122 point difference, with a gap of 124 points after Singapore (112 after Italy). Singapore was race 14. Currently we're on race 16 - so the gap was worse back then.
Interestingly, both back then and now, it's between drivers of different teams.

But the whole point of the new changes was to minimise this happening and create racing conditions.
They have completely failed at that.

Wasn't the main objective to improve overtaking? That has succeeded.
Also, there (before the summer break at least) were two cars performing more or less equal - races were tense in that sense, and were it not for Ferrari cocking up their strategy consistently, the gap would have been much smaller. But yes, I do think we all hoped for a closer gap between the top three and the rest too (or some swaps in the order - one of the past backmarkers being in part of the top). And we didn't get that.

[N21]

2011 ended on a 122 point difference, with a gap of 124 points after Singapore (112 after Italy). Singapore was race 14. Currently we're on race 16 - so the gap was worse back then.
Interestingly, both back then and now, it's between drivers of different teams.

But the whole point of the new changes was to minimise this happening and create racing conditions.
They have completely failed at that.

Wasn't the main objective to improve overtaking? That has succeeded.
Also, there (before the summer break at least) were two cars performing more or less equal - races were tense in that sense, and were it not for Ferrari cocking up their strategy consistently, the gap would have been much smaller. But yes, I do think we all hoped for a closer gap between the top three and the rest too (or some swaps in the order - one of the past backmarkers being in part of the top). And we didn't get that.

Yes it should be closer to be exciting. Apart from Ferrari’s reliability and strategy, I think the spa TD has hurt their performance somewhat.

And Mercedes is slowly catching up

[chrisc90]

Would seem that overall RB set their car up to manage the tyres really well, given they probably knew the 1 stop was the way they were going to go. Thats probably why they went a step up with their rear wing with a little bit of downforce

[organic]

But the whole point of the new changes was to minimise this happening and create racing conditions.
They have completely failed at that.

The point of the aero regs was to allow cars to follow one another more closely which they achieved.. why do people always say this nonsense?

Why did they want the cars closer ? To race. Did you see the HUGE gaps between the top 6-7 before the SC?

They wanted the car behind to lose less downforce when driving behind another F1 car, which has obviously been a huge success.