Although Charles Leclerc salvaged with a second place at the Temple of speed it was Max Verstappen who won on Ferrari's home ground. The Dutch driver was miles ahead when the race was neutralised 6 laps from the end. George Russell completed the podium in third.
Monza is less technical than your typical track, and williams is strong here with their low drag. Also all those penalties of the other cars helped. He did well, but i would not question Albon's quality.
You do understand that didn't really work out as well during the 2014-2020 yrs, when Merc was thát dominant they could switch development 100% to next years car by july? That's how they were able to come up with DAS and lots of other brilliant things. Smacking more and more money isn't very sustainable, even for Rb/Fer/Merc.
Nations are racist in the sense that for most of history nation meant the same thing as race or ethnicity. One can’t have one without the other, because they are the same thing. This is still the case in many areas. Finland is mostly ethnically Finnish, Japan is mostly Japanese, Korea is Korean, Ireland is Irish, Indian is Indian, Iran is Iranian. North American tribes, each a distinct ethnic group, refer to themselves as nations; I could ask to be part of the Lakota nation, and if they declined, they should not be maligned as "racist, sadly." If they did approve of my immigration, I could appropriate their culture and language, but this would not change my genetic code in so doing -- I would never be ethnically Lakotan. Britain as well is still largely ethnically Britonic (descendants of Celts, Picts, Germanics). If anything, the reality of Britain is the opposite of what you write. If Britain were racist i.e. national, it wouldn't have open borders with non-Britonic enclaves within. If you want something that is not a nation while being non-racist, you want a territory with inhabitants united by political economy instead of DNA and ancestry, which might be better called a country, a corporation, or a commerce zone.Just_a_fan wrote: ↑12 Sep 2022, 00:26In fact Hamilton isn't that popular in Britain. Too black and too gobby for most Brits. We're a racist nation in many areas, sadly.
Well, he also kinda lucked into a gargantual grid-shuffle .. that much needs to be said. But still, he did hold his eggs in the basket pretty well today !
You dont need to research the PU. A team just buys it. I am making a distinction between PU and aero. Formula 1 regulations are such that a team must build its chassis and aero. It does not have to do that for an engine. It can simply buy it. That's what Williams did in 2014 and they went from midfeild to podium finishers. It was a very realistic jump up the grid.vorticism wrote: ↑12 Sep 2022, 03:44https://f1-insider.com/wp-content/uploa ... s-1200.jpg
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Did Merc sell parts to RP or did RP copy Merc?
Renault nor Ferrari nor Honda would have been able to buy a contemporary Mercedes power unit for research. Why would Merc have sold them one? By the same logic, a team could buy bodywork or last years car from another team and copy it; again, though, why would any team do that? "Buy the best available" as you say.
Nations are racist in the sense that for most of history nation meant the same thing as race or ethnicity. One can’t have one without the other, because they are the same thing. This is still the case in many areas. Finland is mostly ethnically Finnish, Japan is mostly Japanese, Korea is Korean, Ireland is Irish, Indian is Indian, Iran is Iranian. North American tribes, each a distinct ethnic group, refer to themselves as nations; I could ask to be part of the Lakota nation, and if they declined, they should not be maligned as "racist, sadly." If they did approve of my immigration, I could appropriate their culture and language, but this would not change my genetic code in so doing -- I would never be ethnically Lakotan. Britain as well is still largely ethnically Britonic (descendants of Celts, Picts, Germanics). If anything, the reality of Britain is the opposite of what you write. If Britain were racist i.e. national, it wouldn't have open borders with non-Britonic enclaves within. If you want something that is not a nation while being non-racist, you want a territory with inhabitants united by political economy instead of DNA and ancestry, which might be better called a country, a corporation, or a commerce zone.Just_a_fan wrote: ↑12 Sep 2022, 00:26In fact Hamilton isn't that popular in Britain. Too black and too gobby for most Brits. We're a racist nation in many areas, sadly.
if ferrari resolve their engin DNF issues ( that does not include tuning it down ) , and prioratize a driver we all know whom..the gap can be much closer. May be that can force RB in some thinking and mistakes ( hopefully
)De Vries did great, but was not near Albon's level yet. Albon's average qualifying gap to Latifi is huge, like Russell's. I think Albon would have done better in the race, but with the drs train it may have been difficult to make a differencelangedweil wrote: ↑12 Sep 2022, 04:01Well, he also kinda lucked into a gargantual grid-shuffle .. that much needs to be said. But still, he did hold his eggs in the basket pretty well today !
Absolutely. You can not read to much into Monza, it is a special track and once they can stay in the DRS trains it compensates for 4 tenths per lap.TimW wrote: ↑12 Sep 2022, 09:22De Vries did great, but was not near Albon's level yet. Albon's average qualifying gap to Latifi is huge, like Russell's. I think Albon would have done better in the race, but with the drs train it may have been difficult to make a differencelangedweil wrote: ↑12 Sep 2022, 04:01Well, he also kinda lucked into a gargantual grid-shuffle .. that much needs to be said. But still, he did hold his eggs in the basket pretty well today !
Sure Albon does better, but he's an experienced driver. Taking into account that de Vries had half a training worth of prep in the Williams, he did a splendid job. With some more prep, I am sure he can approach Albon.TimW wrote: ↑12 Sep 2022, 09:22De Vries did great, but was not near Albon's level yet. Albon's average qualifying gap to Latifi is huge, like Russell's. I think Albon would have done better in the race, but with the drs train it may have been difficult to make a differencelangedweil wrote: ↑12 Sep 2022, 04:01Well, he also kinda lucked into a gargantual grid-shuffle .. that much needs to be said. But still, he did hold his eggs in the basket pretty well today !
Or perhaps De Vries is just a decent driver - he is Mercedes's reserve driver, after all. There are plenty of decent drivers in the junior formulae and elsewhere in various series that never got a chance to drive in F1. The idea, sold by F! and the media, is that F1 drivers are "the best". We know that's not true because there are pay drivers such as Latifi on the grid.
De Vries has been FE champion also. His F2 championship FE championship decent LMP outings and now his good showing in F1 with little prep suggests he has quite a wide operating window.Just_a_fan wrote: ↑12 Sep 2022, 10:35Or perhaps De Vries is just a decent driver - he is Mercedes's reserve driver, after all. There are plenty of decent drivers in the junior formulae and elsewhere in various series that never got a chance to drive in F1. The idea, sold by F! and the media, is that F1 drivers are "the best". We know that's not true because there are pay drivers such as Latifi on the grid.
I think Albon is also decent. He didn't do well in the single-focus reality of the Red Bull team, but that's not surprising.
I would say, based on junior formulae results, that De Vries is better than Albon, but that's no guarantee of F1 success as we've seen before.
Agree, when he just kept going on those red start tires and extending the gap to Sainz on yellow start tires I was mightily impressed. I thought Charles’ 2 stopper would allow him a late race challenge but not against this pace/tire wear combo Max was showing.Watto wrote: ↑12 Sep 2022, 01:04Though that was a very impressive race from Max/RBR.
In race config they had the best car no doubt but I think it took Max to exploit it too, I don't think there was any way they were losing that race outside reliability failure etc. Though it was impressive because Ferarri seemed to find some pace in quali so wasn't going to be as simple as a few weeks ago when he had pole but a decent margin.
Same as every other country. Venues only have a limited attendance.Just_a_fan wrote: ↑12 Sep 2022, 10:27The crowd at Silverstone is a small minority of the 67 million people in Britain. And even amongst that august group of F1 fans, many aren't fans of Hamilton.chrisc90 wrote: ↑12 Sep 2022, 01:58Not been to silverstone recently?Just_a_fan wrote: ↑12 Sep 2022, 00:26
In fact Hamilton isn't that popular in Britain. Too black and too gobby for most Brits. We're a racist nation in many areas, sadly.
The moment Leclerc pitted under VSC and Verstappen did not, the race for P1 was over. There was not much difference in pace between Verstappen and Leclerc. Leclerc slightly faster on fresh rubber, but advantage to Verstappen after that.Sieper wrote: ↑12 Sep 2022, 11:06Agree, when he just kept going on those red start tires and extending the gap to Sainz on yellow start tires I was mightily impressed. I thought Charles’ 2 stopper would allow him a late race challenge but not against this pace/tire wear combo Max was showing.Watto wrote: ↑12 Sep 2022, 01:04Though that was a very impressive race from Max/RBR.
In race config they had the best car no doubt but I think it took Max to exploit it too, I don't think there was any way they were losing that race outside reliability failure etc. Though it was impressive because Ferarri seemed to find some pace in quali so wasn't going to be as simple as a few weeks ago when he had pole but a decent margin.
