2022 Singapore Grand Prix - Marina Bay, Sep 30 - Oct 02

[dren]

Russell 100% failed to leave 1 car width. Good to see both Verstappen and Hamilton have a bad race - shows that conditions were genuinely difficult - albeit they both got a bit of the red mist.

Another FIA clown show on time to decide penalties.

Outside of the error each had, they both drove pretty good races. They were wanting to pass on a track that was hard to pass on. Sure, the issues cost both of them places in the end, but the announcers made a bigger deal out of it.

[PlatinumZealot]

Can't agree with your AT conspiracy (we're kinda familiar with your position), but them AM's surely did get some proper and well deserved points today.
And as I've said before Stroll might not be a highflyer and only be in F1 because of his dad, but in wet races he always does show up somehow.
Good drive from Vettel as well ..

I agree with it. AT always make RB easy pass. look at all the race when RB is behind.
2 team with 4 drivers helping RB to get Championship. It is never happened with other teams like, Ferrari, Mercedes, Alpine, AM. this is happening when Alonso lost to Vettel in 2012 final race.
as the RB is drink company they don't follow ethics in motor sport.

So you don't remember Ocon letting Hamilton pass in Monaco 2018? Or Toto telling us that George in his williams should never have raced Valterri like that in Imola because they are teammates?

This is not true. Ocon did not let any Mercdes past voluntarily.

[PlatinumZealot]

Sucks that the weakest driver in the top teams got away with a podium by doing nothing but being slow. It's a farce.

I'm not sure what can be done for these tight tracks. My last proposal was to make the cars 1700 mm wide for Monaco and Singapore. Yes. 1700mm. New driveshafts and control arms, floors. Create a budget allocation for it.

[AR3-GP]

I agree with it. AT always make RB easy pass. look at all the race when RB is behind.
2 team with 4 drivers helping RB to get Championship. It is never happened with other teams like, Ferrari, Mercedes, Alpine, AM. this is happening when Alonso lost to Vettel in 2012 final race.
as the RB is drink company they don't follow ethics in motor sport.

So you don't remember Ocon letting Hamilton pass in Monaco 2018? Or Toto telling us that George in his williams should never have raced Valterri like that in Imola because they are teammates?

This is not true. Ocon did not let any Mercdes past voluntarily.

Ocon was a Mercedes young driver in 2018. This is the 2018 Monaco GP, not the '22 GP. I'm not interested in going back and forth with you. He moved because he was a Merc young driver and he didn't want to damage a Merc's race.
https://www.racefans.net/2018/06/08/ana ... in-monaco/

[langedweil]

Sucks that the weakest driver in the top teams got away with a podium by doing nothing but being slow. It's a farce.

Perez was slow ?
Slow for Sainz is kinda true, but really only relative to his teammate .. apparently that car is an easy P3 or P4 while cruising around.

[CHT]

Sucks that the weakest driver in the top teams got away with a podium by doing nothing but being slow. It's a farce.

Perez was slow ?
Slow for Sainz is kinda true, but really only relative to his teammate .. apparently that car is an easy P3 or P4 while cruising around.

Perez's job is simply to bring the car home and lead by a gap of more than 5 secs. He delivered the job without making mistakes.

As for Sainz, it may be the team's idea to build a wider gap between him and Charles since Sainz is not in a position to challenge for P2 or P1 in such treacherous weather conditions.

Going fast and hitting the wall is a good test of car strength, not the driver.

[PlatinumZealot]

So you don't remember Ocon letting Hamilton pass in Monaco 2018? Or Toto telling us that George in his williams should never have raced Valterri like that in Imola because they are teammates?

This is not true. Ocon did not let any Mercdes past voluntarily.

Ocon was a Mercedes young driver in 2018. This is the 2018 Monaco GP, not the '22 GP. I'm not interested in going back and forth with you. He moved because he was a Merc young driver and he didn't want to damage a Merc's race.
https://www.racefans.net/2018/06/08/ana ... in-monaco/

I'm not sure you read your own article. Ocon was 20 seconds behind if he pitted and would be even worse off if he defended. This was obivous because I didn't see Ocon letting Lewis past and any rival driver for that matter at that point as a big deal. He was not in the same race at all. And Ocon as a driver is different from AT as an antire team.

[johnny comelately]

In the interview with Otmar at the Japanese GP now, he said the Alpine problems stemmed from an unusual loading situation starting in 2nd gear, any thoughts considering what would be different to all other similar starts?

[AR3-GP]

In the interview with Otmar at the Japanese GP now, he said the Alpine problems stemmed from an unusual loading situation starting in 2nd gear, any thoughts considering what would be different to all other similar starts?

2nd gear launch = very Low RPM.

It's called "lugging" the engine. Low RPMs and poor mechanical advantage due to high gearing, combined with high fueling and boost pressure (due to launch torque demand), basically causes the pressure inside the combustion chamber to go too high (which can damage valves, piston, oiling system).

In this case, I think what he's saying is that the engine was overstressed due to "lugging" at the start of the race for both cars. This damage caused premature failure of the engine.

[maxxer]

In the interview with Otmar at the Japanese GP now, he said the Alpine problems stemmed from an unusual loading situation starting in 2nd gear, any thoughts considering what would be different to all other similar starts?

2nd gear launch = very Low RPM.

It's called "lugging" the engine. Low RPMs and poor mechanical advantage due to high gearing, combined with high fueling and boost pressure (due to launch torque demand), basically causes the pressure inside the combustion chamber to go too high (which can damage valves, piston, oiling system).

In this case, I think what he's saying is that the engine was overstressed due to "lugging" at the start of the race for both cars. This damage caused premature failure of the engine.

You cant just drop the clutch when you try in 2nd gear so maybe they should look at that

[organic]

Seems the circuit layout has changed for next year. Good news. Turns 16-19 are gone - the micky mouse section seems to have been removed! Supposedly they're redeveloping that area (the floating football pitch area) and so the road cannot be used, perhaps indefinitely

This is the new layout, shown on their ticket website for 2023:



Will surely improve the quality of racing at least a little

[Just_a_fan]

Seems the circuit layout has changed for next year. Good news. Turns 17-19 are gone - the micky mouse section seems to have been removed! Supposedly they're redeveloping that area (the floating football pitch area) and so the road cannot be used, perhaps indefinitely

This is the new layout, shown on their ticket website for 2023:

https://i.imgur.com/Uz7ogI5.png

Will surely improve the quality of racing at least a little

That changes the nature of the circuit quite a bit, really, as it means there is an extra bit of higher speed track. So some downforce might be trimmed off to reduce drag, perhaps. Would also help cars to close before the final two turns.

[mendis]

Seems the circuit layout has changed for next year. Good news. Turns 17-19 are gone - the micky mouse section seems to have been removed! Supposedly they're redeveloping that area (the floating football pitch area) and so the road cannot be used, perhaps indefinitely

This is the new layout, shown on their ticket website for 2023:

https://i.imgur.com/Uz7ogI5.png

Will surely improve the quality of racing at least a little

If they really intend to engineer an overtake, they should have gotten rid of 20-21 corners as well to increase the length of straight. Not sure if there are structures that they can't remove. After removing 16-19, it has become a straight, but not enough for an overtake. It's still shorter than the straight from corner 5-7 and we have seen almost no overtakes happen at that stretch.

[organic]

Seems the circuit layout has changed for next year. Good news. Turns 17-19 are gone - the micky mouse section seems to have been removed! Supposedly they're redeveloping that area (the floating football pitch area) and so the road cannot be used, perhaps indefinitely

This is the new layout, shown on their ticket website for 2023:

https://i.imgur.com/Uz7ogI5.png

Will surely improve the quality of racing at least a little

If they really intend to engineer an overtake, they should have gotten rid of 20-21 corners as well to increase the length of straight. Not sure if there are structures that they can't remove. After removing 16-19, it has become a straight, but not enough for an overtake. It's still shorter than the straight from corner 5-7 and we have seen almost no overtakes happen at that stretch.

I think the changes are incidental; the redevelopment occurred in the 16-19 area causing the turns to not be used next year (and probably subsequent areas), rather than intentional removal to facilitate overtaking (like changes made to Albert Park)

I agree that it hasn't made a big enough difference to be a decent circuit still, but the changes are fortunate

[RZS10]

They're changing "the Float" (which suposedly was only temporary) to the "NS Square" (https://woha.net/project/ns-square/) - this was supposed to happen some time ago but was delayed due to covid.

It doesn't look like there's any plan to have a race track go through that venue so the layout change is likely to be permanent.

They can't extend the straight because of the "Singapore Flyer", the giant ferris wheel, the area is way too packed to move the track anywhere else, would also cause an issue with the pit entry: