2022 Alpine F1 Team

[Swed3121]

Alonso was given a 30 second time penalty for the mirror. P15 is the final classification.

You can only laugh.

this abomination of a season.

That is so BS, there was no black and orange flag!

Why? I get your point about the meatball not being shown, but also, do you really want to risk another Massa-spring incident. Remember, F1 cars don’t have a aeroscreen and the halo isn’t being enough to deflect things like mirrors, the spring that hot Massa was 150g , mirror assemblies can be upwards of 300g, just imagine the damage it could do

[selvam_e2002]

Alonso was given a 30 second time penalty for the mirror. P15 is the final classification.

You can only laugh.

this abomination of a season.

That is so BS, there was no black and orange flag!

Why? I get your point about the meatball not being shown, but also, do you really want to risk another Massa-spring incident. Remember, F1 cars don’t have a aeroscreen and the halo isn’t being enough to deflect things like mirrors, the spring that hot Massa was 150g , mirror assemblies can be upwards of 300g, just imagine the damage it could do

So what about RB front wing in Perez. Rule is rule. Should be followed for every one not specific team. This 30 second penalty is BS and fia is onsided to cover RB as always.

[Swed3121]

That is so BS, there was no black and orange flag!

Why? I get your point about the meatball not being shown, but also, do you really want to risk another Massa-spring incident. Remember, F1 cars don’t have a aeroscreen and the halo isn’t being enough to deflect things like mirrors, the spring that hot Massa was 150g , mirror assemblies can be upwards of 300g, just imagine the damage it could do

So what about RB front wing in Perez. Rule is rule. Should be followed for every one not specific team. This 30 second penalty is BS and fia is onsided to cover RB as always.

I agree that Perez should be penalized, however this whole thing about who the fia is “covering for” is getting a bit old, first it was Ferrari, then McLaren, then Mercedes and now Red Bull. It is very obvious from this that the fia isn’t covering for anyone, simply that fans dislike any team which is dominating and will pick up on every opertunity to take a shot at them. Just remember every time fans came up with a new joke-name for the fia, fiAMG, maFIA, Ferrari international Assistance, just to name a few

[Jordaann10]

30 seconds seems incredibly harsh IMO. Surely a 10 second would be more reasonable as if Alpine were made aware early enough then it would have been sorted in his pitstop for new tyres.

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That is so BS, there was no black and orange flag!

Why? I get your point about the meatball not being shown, but also, do you really want to risk another Massa-spring incident. Remember, F1 cars don’t have a aeroscreen and the halo isn’t being enough to deflect things like mirrors, the spring that hot Massa was 150g , mirror assemblies can be upwards of 300g, just imagine the damage it could do

So what about RB front wing in Perez. Rule is rule. Should be followed for every one not specific team. This 30 second penalty is BS and fia is onsided to cover RB as always.

Check race thread for discussion of Perez wing penalty. Reality is there's only 1-2 laps maximum where perez's wing was damaged enough to be black and orange flagged and then it fell off. for laps 1-4 it was almost undamaged, just it gradually broke

[diffuser]

Why? I get your point about the meatball not being shown, but also, do you really want to risk another Massa-spring incident. Remember, F1 cars don’t have a aeroscreen and the halo isn’t being enough to deflect things like mirrors, the spring that hot Massa was 150g , mirror assemblies can be upwards of 300g, just imagine the damage it could do

So what about RB front wing in Perez. Rule is rule. Should be followed for every one not specific team. This 30 second penalty is BS and fia is onsided to cover RB as always.

I agree that Perez should be penalized, however this whole thing about who the fia is “covering for” is getting a bit old, first it was Ferrari, then McLaren, then Mercedes and now Red Bull. It is very obvious from this that the fia isn’t covering for anyone, simply that fans dislike any team which is dominating and will pick up on every opertunity to take a shot at them. Just remember every time fans came up with a new joke-name for the fia, fiAMG, maFIA, Ferrari international Assistance, just to name a few

How does giving a penalty AFTER the race prevent another Massa incident? You need the Black and orange flag. It's whoever's responsibily to give that flag fault.

[diffuser]

Alpine Challanging ...

https://f1i.com/news/458242-alpine-to-p ... us-gp.html


"The FIA has the right to black and orange flag a car during the race if they consider it unsafe and, on this occasion, they assessed the car and decided not to action the flag," the team said.

"Moreover, after the race, the FIA technical delegate considered the car legal."

Haas said that its team manager Peter Crolla had twice contacted race control to report the loose mirror on Alonso's car, but no action was taken.

In their post-race report, the stewards acknowledged that the black-and-orange flag was never deployed, but added that they were "deeply concerned" by the lack of reaction on the matter during the race of FIA race director Niels Wittich.

Finally, Alpine also took exception to Haas' protest due to the fact that it was lodged "24 minutes past the specified deadline, it should not have been accepted and therefore the penalty should be considered as invalid".

"As a result of this point, the team has protested the admissibility of the original Haas F1 Team protest," concluded the French outfit.

The crux of the matter appears to be race control's complete lack of reaction to Haas' two in-race warnings, a fact confirmed by the stewards' report that interestingly hints at Wittich being at fault for not making a call in real time on the Alpine's loose mirror.

On that basis, it's hard to imagine how Haas' protest won't be overturned and Alonso reinstated as having finished seventh.

Nevertheless, should Alpine's counter-protest be deemed admissible, a decisive hearing is likely to take place ahead of this week's Mexican Grand Prix.

[AR3-GP]

Haas protest was submitted after the deadline.

[Andres125sx]

I guess Alpine will not protest, they´re fine with Alonso missing points, specially if that means Ocon gets an undeserved point and keeps above Alonso in the table...

In another thread you told someone to stop the nonsense (which was right). So...what about you?

What do you think is more plausible, Alpine eager to see Ocon finishing ahead of Alonso in the table, or the other way around? Not no sense, simply that I know how F1 (and business) work Once it´s public one of your drivers will not continue with the team next season, any team will have a preference about the driver finishing ahead in the table. It´s human, but it´s also marketing, and that is F1 main goal after all


I´m glad they´re protesting, I guess their fear to lose 4th place in WCC (McLaren only 6 points back) was stronger than their will to prove their own decisions right

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[basti313]

Maybe Alpine should have protested, that the parts on the track should have been a red flag so that Alo gets back Pos6? That is so ridiculous to protest a flag....

[diffuser]

Maybe Alpine should have protested, that the parts on the track should have been a red flag so that Alo gets back Pos6? That is so ridiculous to protest a flag....

Not sure what you're trying to say.

[Stig14]

IMO the FIA are trying to make an example of this case to say "teams are responsible for the safety and legality of their own cars". Alonso (somehow) made it back to the pits following the incident where the team would have had ample opportunity to inspect the car close up and determine whether any bits were likely to fall off/become dangerous/become illegal. They determined no action was necessary and sent Alonso on his way. It then transpired that the car was not safe and parts of it (notably the wing mirror) fell off, potentially endangering marshalls and other drivers. The Perez issue is slightly different in the sense that there wasn't a pit stop where the team could have changed the front wing before it failed. Clearly he should have been shown the meatball but that was due to Red Bull (seemingly incorrectly) reassuring the FIA it was safe to continue.

Ultimately teams are responsible for ensuring their cars are on track in a safe and legal condition and Fernando's car was neither of these.

[PinkFloydPulse]

I am pretty sure that rear wing mirror did not show signs of damage during his trip back to the pits since he wasn't driving anywhere close to top speed which they usually drive...

[Michelangelo]

There's no way this case would be penalised in the past. They are so sensitive about "safety" but can still put a tractor on track once more in a rainy Suzuka.