2022 São Paulo Grand Prix - Interlagos, Nov 11 - 13

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djones wrote:
13 Nov 2022, 15:38
I think the probability of a Mercedes on Mercedes crash is very high. Hamilton will go hard like in Mexico and George won't want to look weak again so won't back down.
I don't think this will happen. Hamilton said they need to collaborate together to win this.

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bluechris wrote:
13 Nov 2022, 15:45
djones wrote:
13 Nov 2022, 15:38
I think the probability of a Mercedes on Mercedes crash is very high. Hamilton will go hard like in Mexico and George won't want to look weak again so won't back down.
I don't think this will happen. Hamilton said they need to collaborate together to win this.
Of course both drivers are saying this. Both drivers want the other to concede if they are ahead into a corner :lol:

No way George will say "after you", and no way Hamilton will say "no, after you".

The two of them just need to get the better start (one of them) and take it out of the hands of the other driver.
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Strongly fancy Hamilton today, he loves it in Brazil

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dfegan358 wrote:
13 Nov 2022, 16:09
Strongly fancy Hamilton today, he loves it in Brazil
After seeing the straight line difference between the setup of George and Lewis, combined with the fact Lewis is a 9/10 better in the race I tend to agree.

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djones wrote:
13 Nov 2022, 16:41
dfegan358 wrote:
13 Nov 2022, 16:09
Strongly fancy Hamilton today, he loves it in Brazil
After seeing the straight line difference between the setup of George and Lewis, combined with the fact Lewis is a 9/10 better in the race I tend to agree.
It depends on if the hotter temperatures make the higher downforce better for tire deg. It's not just a 10 degree F increase in the air temperature. It will also be sunny which means that the track temperature will increase by more than 10 degrees compared to yesterday when it was not only cooler, but also cloudy meaning the track didn't absorb much sunlight.
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Pit calls can have the deciding factor here, I wonder who has first call? Is it on position at the time, or team say-so for the best team result?
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Mercedes always operate on first position gets priority call

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Yuki will start from the pitlane.

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According to Mercedes today a lot will depend on the track temperatures. Low? Good for them. High? In favor of Red Bull. Yesterday, with 35C on the track, the RB18 was severely limited in the front (understeer) with both Verstappen (Medium) and Perez (Soft).
Anyone have the forecast?

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Big Tea wrote:
13 Nov 2022, 17:04
Pit calls can have the deciding factor here, I wonder who has first call? Is it on position at the time, or team say-so for the best team result?
You can bet that Toto hopes he doesn't have to deal with this question :lol:
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organic wrote:
13 Nov 2022, 17:34

According to Mercedes today a lot will depend on the track temperatures. Low? Good for them. High? In favor of Red Bull. Yesterday, with 35C on the track, the RB18 was severely limited in the front (understeer) with both Verstappen (Medium) and Perez (Soft).
Anyone have the forecast?
The open question. Why would higher track temps support less understeer for Red Bull? Is the theory that the rear tires would lose grip allowing the car to rotate?

if Mercedes is to be believed, it's good news for Red Bull because it will be much warmer today in terms of air temp and track temp. Yesterday was cloudy. Today there won't be a cloud in sight. Sunlight = high track temps.
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AR3-GP wrote:
13 Nov 2022, 17:39
organic wrote:
13 Nov 2022, 17:34

According to Mercedes today a lot will depend on the track temperatures. Low? Good for them. High? In favor of Red Bull. Yesterday, with 35C on the track, the RB18 was severely limited in the front (understeer) with both Verstappen (Medium) and Perez (Soft).
Anyone have the forecast?
The open question. Why would higher track temps support less understeer for Red Bull? Is the theory that the rear tires would lose grip allowing the car to rotate?

if Mercedes is to be believed, it's good news for Red Bull because it will be much warmer today in terms of air temp and track temp. Yesterday was cloudy. Today there won't be a cloud in sight. Sunlight = high track temps.
Dodging the question entirely: considering how woeful the rb18 was with the track conditions yesterday and it was low track temp, anything different is good news for RB and merc would prefer exactly the same conditions, where their car seemed exceptionally happy

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organic wrote:
13 Nov 2022, 17:53
AR3-GP wrote:
13 Nov 2022, 17:39
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13 Nov 2022, 17:34




Anyone have the forecast?
The open question. Why would higher track temps support less understeer for Red Bull? Is the theory that the rear tires would lose grip allowing the car to rotate?

if Mercedes is to be believed, it's good news for Red Bull because it will be much warmer today in terms of air temp and track temp. Yesterday was cloudy. Today there won't be a cloud in sight. Sunlight = high track temps.
Dodging the question entirely: considering how woeful the rb18 was with the track conditions yesterday and it was low track temp, anything different is good news for RB and merc would prefer exactly the same conditions, where their car seemed exceptionally happy
If I'm not mistaken, there was another GP where we observed a similar phenomenon in terms of performance swing for Red Bull vs Mercedes.

It was Hungary was it not? Max struggling with understeer in the low track temps in qualy, only to fire things up in the race which was much warmer?
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AR3-GP wrote:
13 Nov 2022, 17:39
organic wrote:
13 Nov 2022, 17:34

According to Mercedes today a lot will depend on the track temperatures. Low? Good for them. High? In favor of Red Bull. Yesterday, with 35C on the track, the RB18 was severely limited in the front (understeer) with both Verstappen (Medium) and Perez (Soft).
Anyone have the forecast?
The open question. Why would higher track temps support less understeer for Red Bull? Is the theory that the rear tires would lose grip allowing the car to rotate?

if Mercedes is to be believed, it's good news for Red Bull because it will be much warmer today in terms of air temp and track temp. Yesterday was cloudy. Today there won't be a cloud in sight. Sunlight = high track temps.
the overall lighter car (due to sprint fuel load), combined with too cold of a track can suck out the heat from the tire, perhaps they couldn't keep the mediums warm enough, caused the understeer, and skidding simply wore out the tires too quickly, and the more they wear, the less movement of the rubber, the less heat you're able to put in, which kind of explains the gradual increase of Maxes lap times

hotter track temp will take less energy out of the tires allowing them to run harder for longer on heavier fuel load, Merc on the other hand may simply overheat theirs on high fuel load and hotter track, or will not be able to sustain the same laptimes for that long of a period of time