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Shal_Leg16 wrote:
16 Dec 2022, 21:13
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16 Dec 2022, 18:44
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16 Dec 2022, 12:26

Maybe they just need to do their damn jobs right, instead of wasting time with first/second drivers.
Thats the way I see it. The driver in front is the first driver, until results need to be calculated.
im not sure that's how it works in F1.

for eg. - RB asking Perez to let Max win Spanish Gp. now one might say at that point it was too early to set team orders but imagine a close season like 2021 where title was won by just 5 points. that's when even these early calls make difference. RB know how its done hence they dont waste time.
Perez was never going to win the spanish GP. Max would have chased him down and passed him. The difference in race pace was enormous. The problem is that it would have come at the cost of tire life and car temperatures which could have put Verstappen in a difficult spot with the shoddy reliability they had to that point. This is exactly what Horner said after the race.

People get too worked up about the inevitable. Fortunately RB have the sense to expedite the inevitable rather than risking both cars and wasting track time. Every lap that Verstappen spends behind Perez is 3-4 tenths per lap of race time given away to chasing pack. Christian Horner is not indecisive and see's the big picture. It's a quality that Binotto lacked when he was unable to manage the Monaco and British GPs.
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This is the Ferrari team thread.
If you came here to talk about Red Bull, Mercedes, Max, Hamilton or Bottas 2018, you are in the wrong place, and your post has been deleted.
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It will be revealing/interesting to see who are the holders of a few titles on the engineering side. I don't think there was any major fault with the car that raced pre TD-39, engine issues aside. It is clear they stopped development after the summer break.

I hope things won't be blown up. Will Resta become TD? He is certainly a capable designer.

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Peter Ian Staker wrote:
13 Dec 2022, 15:54
FW17 wrote:
13 Dec 2022, 15:28
Hope the first act as TP for Vasseur would be to announce Charles Leclerc will be Numero Uno and Carlos Sainz jr will be Rubens.

Team needs to clearly galvanize around one driver with development focused around that driver. Having a common development programme is a disaster. Naming number one in a team like ferrari which is solely focused on WDC is key to the success of the 2023 campaign and the foundation for future success.
This will be such a big disaster. Carlos is way to ambitious for the number 2 position.
With Leclerc installing his people all over the team I wouldn't be surprised if he is angling for an early exit already.
What´s the reason to assume this even after any team Carlos has been part of define him as a true team player?

He´s obeyed any sensible TO at any team, even when the teammate didn´t do the same (STR).

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Shal_Leg16 wrote:
13 Dec 2022, 16:37
Peter Ian Staker wrote:
13 Dec 2022, 15:54
FW17 wrote:
13 Dec 2022, 15:28
Hope the first act as TP for Vasseur would be to announce Charles Leclerc will be Numero Uno and Carlos Sainz jr will be Rubens.

Team needs to clearly galvanize around one driver with development focused around that driver. Having a common development programme is a disaster. Naming number one in a team like ferrari which is solely focused on WDC is key to the success of the 2023 campaign and the foundation for future success.
This will be such a big disaster. Carlos is way to ambitious for the number 2 position.
With Leclerc installing his people all over the team I wouldn't be surprised if he is angling for an early exit already.
Why will it be a disaster ? and for whom ?

sainz fans to be specific act as if prioritizing a driver is something unheard of in F1, and as if its a crime. obviously they don't use exact word's but narrative is same. F1 is not a democratic equal rights level playing field game....faster / better driver will always have an advantage.
You´re confusing Ferrari team with Sainz fans :roll: . It´s Ferrari who think prioritizing a driver is not good for the team. More talent do not translate to more points directly, there are mistakes (from driver, pitstop crew, strategic decisions, etc.), mechanical failures, luck with SCs or weather, etc. wich can cause unexpected results and make the not so talented driver to fight for the title, so reducing his chances before the fight starts can´t be good for the team

“In terms of drivers, as we often say, that it is on the track that we dictated it,” insisted Binotto. “The first priority is always the team, but no doubt these can compete for an important position in the championships. It will be the track that will tell who’s ahead.

“Sometimes, I think it’s not only about driver talent and driver capacity. A driver can be unfortunate and have damage or reliability issues, crashes.

“Certainly, we will not have a policy of number one and number two, but we simply discuss it based on positions on track whenever it will be done
https://thesportsrush.com/f1-news-the-f ... -for-2022/

It´s the track and table what dictates #1, not pre-season assumptions, that would only be good for Lecrerc, not for Ferrari.

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Andres125sx wrote:
18 Dec 2022, 14:10
Shal_Leg16 wrote:
13 Dec 2022, 16:37
Peter Ian Staker wrote:
13 Dec 2022, 15:54


You´re confusing Ferrari team with Sainz fans :roll: . It´s Ferrari who think prioritizing a driver is not good for the team. More talent do not translate to more points directly, there are mistakes (from driver, pitstop crew, strategic decisions, etc.), mechanical failures, luck with SCs or weather, etc. wich can cause unexpected results and make the not so talented driver to fight for the title, so reducing his chances before the fight starts can´t be good for the team
i was talking about the fans and to be specific in Ferrari pages, Sainz fans who always advocate equal chance and always directly or indirectly dislike priority thing. which we obviously know why.

Regarding Ferrari not thinking about prioritizing drivers....well its just one of the many mistakes that has resulted in binotto getting the boot. Go and look at any season and see if the winning team had set priority or not. its a nonsense argument.

Regarding the explanation you gave .." make the not so talented driver to fight for the title "

its a simple logic that im amazed why cant sainz fans get, for example - you are given 1 liter water and asked to fill a container to max height, here you are advocating that instead of putting that water in single container and achieve max height , lets just divide it in two containers so that ( hypothetically ) if one container breaks( which should not happen considering the level at you are competeing ) we will have plan B. Great.

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Andres125sx wrote:
18 Dec 2022, 14:10
Shal_Leg16 wrote:
13 Dec 2022, 16:37
Peter Ian Staker wrote:
13 Dec 2022, 15:54


This will be such a big disaster. Carlos is way to ambitious for the number 2 position.
With Leclerc installing his people all over the team I wouldn't be surprised if he is angling for an early exit already.
Why will it be a disaster ? and for whom ?

sainz fans to be specific act as if prioritizing a driver is something unheard of in F1, and as if its a crime. obviously they don't use exact word's but narrative is same. F1 is not a democratic equal rights level playing field game....faster / better driver will always have an advantage.
You´re confusing Ferrari team with Sainz fans :roll: . It´s Ferrari who think prioritizing a driver is not good for the team. More talent do not translate to more points directly, there are mistakes (from driver, pitstop crew, strategic decisions, etc.), mechanical failures, luck with SCs or weather, etc. wich can cause unexpected results and make the not so talented driver to fight for the title, so reducing his chances before the fight starts can´t be good for the team

“In terms of drivers, as we often say, that it is on the track that we dictated it,” insisted Binotto. “The first priority is always the team, but no doubt these can compete for an important position in the championships. It will be the track that will tell who’s ahead.

“Sometimes, I think it’s not only about driver talent and driver capacity. A driver can be unfortunate and have damage or reliability issues, crashes.

“Certainly, we will not have a policy of number one and number two, but we simply discuss it based on positions on track whenever it will be done
https://thesportsrush.com/f1-news-the-f ... -for-2022/

It´s the track and table what dictates #1, not pre-season assumptions, that would only be good for Lecrerc, not for Ferrari.
There was a reason why Carlos' contract extension negotiation were in difficult position. It doesn't happen for No.1 drivers.

https://www.planetf1.com/news/carlos-sa ... ct-report/

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jordanb wrote:
20 Dec 2022, 08:52
There was a reason why Carlos' contract extension negotiation were in difficult position. It doesn't happen for No.1 drivers.

https://www.planetf1.com/news/carlos-sa ... ct-report/
Strawman argument. Did anyone claim Sainz is or should be #1? No, none :roll:

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Andres125sx wrote:
20 Dec 2022, 09:05
jordanb wrote:
20 Dec 2022, 08:52
There was a reason why Carlos' contract extension negotiation were in difficult position. It doesn't happen for No.1 drivers.

https://www.planetf1.com/news/carlos-sa ... ct-report/
Strawman argument. Did anyone claim Sainz is or should be #1? No, none :roll:
No one can claim that based on sainz's performance. so why not just oppose whole #1 thing ? or say advocate equal chance for both ?

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Andres125sx wrote:
20 Dec 2022, 09:05
jordanb wrote:
20 Dec 2022, 08:52
There was a reason why Carlos' contract extension negotiation were in difficult position. It doesn't happen for No.1 drivers.

https://www.planetf1.com/news/carlos-sa ... ct-report/
Strawman argument. Did anyone claim Sainz is or should be #1? No, none :roll:
I am saying, they should firmly establish Charles as No.1 and Carlos should play the wingman. This would help going for WDC fight much more peaceful and cleaner. Because I believe Carlos isn't as fast or as skillful, it makes perfect sense, unless the new Ferrari car is a couple of seconds ahead of the competition.

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Shal_Leg16 wrote:
20 Dec 2022, 09:31
Andres125sx wrote:
20 Dec 2022, 09:05
jordanb wrote:
20 Dec 2022, 08:52
There was a reason why Carlos' contract extension negotiation were in difficult position. It doesn't happen for No.1 drivers.

https://www.planetf1.com/news/carlos-sa ... ct-report/
Strawman argument. Did anyone claim Sainz is or should be #1? No, none :roll:
No one can claim that based on sainz's performance. so why not just oppose whole #1 thing ? or say advocate equal chance for both ?
We might have past season, Carlos did beat Lecrerc in 2020 despite his very first season in red. Even so none did claim that.

Only Lecrerc fans are asking for preferential treatment :wink:

And this is not Binotto politics, this is Ferrari politics. People have short memories, Ferrari didn't do that not even with Massa and Alonso more than a decade ago, so no reason to do it now

Equal treatment is the norm, none needs to ask for it, or shouldn't IMHO.

Also, some people take racing as mathematics, but racing is racing, more talent not always translate to more points, look at 2020 for example :roll: so no reason to cut Ferrari options before the fight start

Providing preferential treatment will only be good for Lecrerc, for Ferrari it might be good or bad, depending on the season progress. That's the reason Ferrari always wait until the season evolve

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Andres125sx wrote:
20 Dec 2022, 13:37
Shal_Leg16 wrote:
20 Dec 2022, 09:31
Andres125sx wrote:
20 Dec 2022, 09:05


Strawman argument. Did anyone claim Sainz is or should be #1? No, none :roll:
No one can claim that based on sainz's performance. so why not just oppose whole #1 thing ? or say advocate equal chance for both ?


Equal treatment is the norm, none needs to ask for it, or shouldn't IMHO.


This - equal treatment is the Norm in F1 is the joke of the century. 🤣🤣

and all the sennas, shumis, vettels, lewis, Alonsos & maxs of F1 world are laughing at this.

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Andres125sx wrote:
20 Dec 2022, 13:37
Shal_Leg16 wrote:
20 Dec 2022, 09:31
Andres125sx wrote:
20 Dec 2022, 09:05


Strawman argument. Did anyone claim Sainz is or should be #1? No, none :roll:
No one can claim that based on sainz's performance. so why not just oppose whole #1 thing ? or say advocate equal chance for both ?
We might have past season, Carlos did beat Lecrerc in 2020 despite his very first season in red. Even so none did claim that.

Only Lecrerc fans are asking for preferential treatment :wink:
Ocon beat Fernando, so Ocon is greater driver. Same with George. That logic fits well too.

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Shal_Leg16 wrote:
20 Dec 2022, 13:50
This - equal treatment is the Norm in F1 is the joke of the century. 🤣🤣

and all the sennas, shumis, vettels, lewis, Alonsos & maxs of F1 world are laughing at this.
I can't believe there are people who actually believe this... The last duo that didn't have a clear status were Prost and Senna in McLaren and it was clear why that was. This was more than 30 years ago. Bar Rosberg, every champion since was a number 1 in that season. Rosberg won despite of his defacto number 2 status.
And they call it a stall. A STALL!

#DwarvesAreNaturalSprinters
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Saniz will out in 2024 and Botta will join ferrari for Lecrec wingman.