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delsando53 wrote:
19 Feb 2023, 11:16
AR3-GP wrote:
19 Feb 2023, 04:53
There was a story late last season where it was revealed that Alonso had requested that AM take an extra power unit from Mercedes and apparently Mercedes bulked at the idea since they have a set capacity of PUs they can supply and maintain.

Keep mind mind Mercedes didn't have any problem using 5-6 PUs per car in 2021, while the customer teams could only use 3-4 PUs.

Do customer teams have to ability to be assured what horsepower they are garunteed they're getting with their own inhouse dyno or independant testing?
They will know what they are given. But they might not know what the works team has.

The FIA however has set rules to ensure the engines are identical in their abilities. The fine turning of troque per track is up to the engine support team and the customer though. That is greatly dependent on the chassis.
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PlatinumZealot wrote:
19 Feb 2023, 17:51
delsando53 wrote:
19 Feb 2023, 11:16
AR3-GP wrote:
19 Feb 2023, 04:53
There was a story late last season where it was revealed that Alonso had requested that AM take an extra power unit from Mercedes and apparently Mercedes bulked at the idea since they have a set capacity of PUs they can supply and maintain.

Keep mind mind Mercedes didn't have any problem using 5-6 PUs per car in 2021, while the customer teams could only use 3-4 PUs.

Do customer teams have to ability to be assured what horsepower they are garunteed they're getting with their own inhouse dyno or independant testing?
They will know what they are given. But they might not know what the works team has.

The FIA however has set rules to ensure the engines are identical in their abilities. The fine turning of troque per track is up to the engine support team and the customer though. That is greatly dependent on the chassis.
From what I understand, they have 1 mode for quali and race. Then they have inlap and outlap modes that can only be used at those times. They have other modes for when they have problems but they need to ask permission to use those. Deployment can be manipulated at will. Think they have some fuel saving modes too but not sure how that works into the regs.

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ringo wrote:
13 Feb 2023, 06:45
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13 Feb 2023, 03:22
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13 Feb 2023, 03:03


Hating on who exactly? So I am hater because I have a different opinion?
Alonso must hate himself because he said Stroll has potential.

Alonso is a very talented driver but nothing lasts forever. He is 41 years old going to a new team, with a decent driver in the other seat who's dad owns the team. I am certain all of the young drivers below 30 years old have much more endurance and quicker reflexes than Alonso. And that's no disrespect, it's just reality.
Stroll is very much capable of scoring more points. He wont break any natural laws for doing so.
Maybe that's the reality you believe in, but it's not strictly true. Alonso is not necessarily less physically able than the <30 year old drivers . Most research points to physical endurance peaking in the mid 30s and for some people later than that - into the 40s. You'll also get freaks even within athletes such as Valverde the pro cyclist who's endured a ton of injuries/setbacks and still getting top 5 finishes in the most prestigious races at 42. Who's to say Alonso isn't peaking physically later than most athletes which would put him only just after his endurance capability peak

Some larger data sample of the late endurance peak is looking at the ages of the best times that ultramarathons have been run. It's all 35+ people

Reality is that power and explosiveness fades quickly as you age, but endurance is not

Formula 1 is partly about endurance, but not really about power. There are however many mental factors in F1 allow you to improve as you age and gain experience such as tyre management, racecraft, mental state. How experienced is Alonso? :D

The one thing that usually happens to ageing athletes is lack of motivation - see vettel, Raikkonen. But does Alonso seem to lack motivation? If anything he seems more hungry than many young drivers who are just happy to race on the grid

I think you can easily point to the older drivers losing some of their 1-lap pace and that's probably true but when you have double world champions, I don't think someone like Alonso has decayed so much that his pace is worse than someone who got smashed by Perez.

If Alonso is so washed up due to his age that he can't beat stroll who was - again - taken to the cleaners by Checo, who we all know is not the most distinguished qualifier, then how can Hamilton be considered equal best on the grid & often praised by yourself despite only being a few years younger? This makes no sense

We'll see in a couple of weeks
So in your mind, Stroll is incapable of improving?
What a double standard.

Hamilton has declined by the way. It's clear that he is not as aggressive as he once was.
More experienced and wiser and more patient. But physically despite what he says he has declined.
how would you even kknow if hamilton has declined physically dude? do you know his trainer? the only reason that hamilton may have looked lack luster last year is that, he didnt have a dominating car, he had a more competitive teammate, and (the biggest factor) hes already won 7 freaking WDC'S. none of these factors are affecting alonso right now, since weve already seen that driving a $%^& car does nothing to sway his motivation. the only limiting factor for either of them is how much motivation they have.

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https://www.astonmartinf1.com/en-GB/new ... in-testing
Lance Stroll to miss pre-season Bahrain testing
Oh dear of course something had to go wrong despite everything looking up .

Stroll cannot drive the preseason test due to a relatively minor bike accident

... Taking inspiration from his new teammate perhaps

Will Alonso drive the whole test like when ricciardo was out for last season's?





Cast could of course be precautionary pending scan results, but doesn't bode well for a quick recovery

If it's a fracture he's likely out until at least Monaco. Drugovich could be in big luck

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Who will be in-line to drive if Lance miss first few races?
Stoffel has both F1 & FE experience..should get a nod ahead of Filipe.

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NAPI10 wrote:
20 Feb 2023, 19:21
Who will be in-line to drive if Lance miss first few races?
Stoffel has both F1 & FE experience..should get a nod ahead of Filipe.
Unlikely as Stoffel is racing FE in Cape Town this weekend.

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Yes I think this is a busy part of FE season.. my guess is that IF stroll isn't ready for a while (at least 3 races) they give Alonso 1.5 days in the car and drugovich the same. And then the less time stroll is out for, the less time drugovich gets to be comfortable

We still don't know if stroll is even our for Bahrain GP

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I cannot see how if Stroll is not fit come Thursday, that he would be fit in 7 days time. Another driver could stand to make a grand impression....

Mick Schumacher perhaps?

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I know that there was no foul play involved, but you have to admit there's some crude irony in Lance having an accident in Spain, which would allow the spaniard to have all 3 days of testing to himself :lol: :wink:

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F1doc wrote:
20 Feb 2023, 19:31
NAPI10 wrote:
20 Feb 2023, 19:21
Who will be in-line to drive if Lance miss first few races?
Stoffel has both F1 & FE experience..should get a nod ahead of Filipe.
Unlikely as Stoffel is racing FE in Cape Town this weekend.
Pretty sure Alonso will do all 3 days of testing. He's gonna love it.

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AR3-GP wrote:
20 Feb 2023, 19:48
I cannot see how if Stroll is not fit come Thursday, that he would be fit in 7 days time. Another driver could stand to make a grand impression....

Mick Schumacher perhaps?
Lance is however expecting a quick recovery and return to driving duties. His fitness to return to the cockpit will be assessed daily and the team will issue an update ahead of the Bahrain Grand Prix.

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AR3-GP wrote:
20 Feb 2023, 19:58
I know that there was no foul play involved, but you have to admit there's some crude irony in Lance having an accident in Spain, which would allow the spaniard to have all 3 days of testing to himself :lol: :wink:
Alonso was out driving his new car when suddenly stroll pulls out in front of him on a training ride

What a shame for lance

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PlatinumZealot wrote:
19 Feb 2023, 17:51
delsando53 wrote:
19 Feb 2023, 11:16
AR3-GP wrote:
19 Feb 2023, 04:53
There was a story late last season where it was revealed that Alonso had requested that AM take an extra power unit from Mercedes and apparently Mercedes bulked at the idea since they have a set capacity of PUs they can supply and maintain.

Keep mind mind Mercedes didn't have any problem using 5-6 PUs per car in 2021, while the customer teams could only use 3-4 PUs.

Do customer teams have to ability to be assured what horsepower they are garunteed they're getting with their own inhouse dyno or independant testing?
They will know what they are given. But they might not know what the works team has.

The FIA however has set rules to ensure the engines are identical in their abilities. The fine turning of troque per track is up to the engine support team and the customer though. That is greatly dependent on the chassis.
I do believe the modes are now fixed, so everyone should be getting the same tuning for the engine. I hope that's the case at least, the customer teams have it bad enough already.

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What an incredible opportunity for Filipe or Stoffel or Mick to drive alongside a legend in a competitive car. Nyck proved last year ; how one opportunity can open many F1 doors for you.
Whosoever suggested Filipe to accept AM reserve offer is a genius :D :D :D ; this is one team where reserve driver is always in play for last 3 years.
All three driver's managers must be busy in aligning their boys in coveted seat alongside Alonso.

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organic wrote:
20 Feb 2023, 20:04
AR3-GP wrote:
20 Feb 2023, 19:58
I know that there was no foul play involved, but you have to admit there's some crude irony in Lance having an accident in Spain, which would allow the spaniard to have all 3 days of testing to himself :lol: :wink:
Alonso was out driving his new car when suddenly stroll pulls out in front of him on a training ride

What a shame for lance
But on the other hand, what an opportunity for Alonso! To have more practice time than anyone else and plant that AMR23 in the top 4 on Saturday :o