B-spec AMR22 went from dead last, to leading the midfield at some GPs.
B-spec AMR22 went from dead last, to leading the midfield at some GPs.
Would you consider those an upgrade package? I would argue those were their actual cars (the latest version), while the first ones on track were simply place holders to either allow for one more week of parts production or simply hide things from the competition (imagine having the budget to do that! (Thinking about Mercedes 2019)… We can add Mercedes 2022 to that list alsothe EDGE wrote: ↑04 Mar 2023, 16:06Mercedes 2019 & RB 2022 spring to mind
The cars they started testing with were significantly different to how they finished testing. Maybe not a full second, but probably came close to it
That was definitely a B-Car… good point… Although, when you finish the season with a third of the points of the cars in P4 - P5 in the Championship I wouldn’t consider that a huge step forward, especially when the team (AM / RP) were already fighting in that upper midfield in previous seasons.
Depending on the scale of McLaren’s upgrade you could easily argue that’s exactly what McLaren have done too, just with bigger gap between introducing it.SmallSoldier wrote: ↑04 Mar 2023, 16:15Would you consider those an upgrade package? I would argue those were their actual cars (the latest version), while the first ones on track were simply place holders to either allow for one more week of parts production or simply hide things from the competition (imagine having the budget to do that! (Thinking about Mercedes 2019)… We can add Mercedes 2022 to that list also
That’s a very good point… Piastri was actually matching Hamilton’s lap in Turn 10 and very close all the way to the last corner, were most of the lap time was lost… Still early to tell, but I have a feeling that braking performance is going to be one of McLaren’s strengths this season (which is funny given how it was what brought a lot of pain at the beginning of 2022)101FlyingDutchman wrote: ↑04 Mar 2023, 16:15The interesting bit was the middle sector. It was very nice and quick. The car clearly produced plenty of DF whether it’s as efficient is another matter. I feel this is where the Baku update will make its presence felt. They’ve found a much better way to produce the df with higher efficiency. Effectively gaining free lap time.
You have a very good point and believe you are right… I hope that the upgrade is as extensive as we hope it will be!the EDGE wrote: ↑04 Mar 2023, 16:22Depending on the scale of McLaren’s upgrade you could easily argue that’s exactly what McLaren have done too, just with bigger gap between introducing it.SmallSoldier wrote: ↑04 Mar 2023, 16:15Would you consider those an upgrade package? I would argue those were their actual cars (the latest version), while the first ones on track were simply place holders to either allow for one more week of parts production or simply hide things from the competition (imagine having the budget to do that! (Thinking about Mercedes 2019)… We can add Mercedes 2022 to that list also
I think based on the time it has been in development and the fact it had no parallel car development that we'd be right to expect something more than 1 or 2 tenths. This is to do with Aero Efficiency which could simply be straight line speed but could potentially mean that we are able to run more downforce and maintain a good speed, Baku being a track with very high speed but still the requirement for a decent amount of downforce.SmallSoldier wrote: ↑04 Mar 2023, 15:59We’ll have to be careful not only with expectations of the new package, but also assessing it when it is delivered… It will depend on where the lap time comes from… Since it could help more in low speed or high speed, therefore it could show more lap time gain in X type of track and less lap time gain in Y type of track (let’s say Hungary vs Monza if we want to go to extremes).mwillems wrote: ↑04 Mar 2023, 15:40I nice step is one or 2 tenths, a significant step is anything upwards of that, in my view. But I'd cap at half a second. This is all conjecture, but I'm hoping for 3 to 5 tenths just as a gut instinct.McL-H wrote: ↑04 Mar 2023, 15:08
I don’t think it will be 1s either. It does leave the question open of what “a chunk of time” really means. With the field being as close as it is, a chunk of time could be 2 tenths even. But that would not really fit in the ambitions the team have set for themselves. I think if it is 5 or 6 tenths that would be astonishing.
Given that this is half of our winter development and eating into the season, if this update brings 2 tenths then I I'll be really surprised and disappointed.
I would simply wait until Baku and try to understand it at that point, reading too much into the comments will create only disappointment I’m afraid.
The team most definitely know what to expect from it… Below you can find the result of loading and Aero Map into a Lap Time Simulation tool:mwillems wrote: ↑04 Mar 2023, 16:39I think based on the time it has been in development and the fact it had no parallel car development that we'd be right to expect something more than 1 or 2 tenths. This is to do with Aero Efficiency which could simply be straight line speed but could potentially mean that we are able to run more downforce and maintain a good speed, Baku being a track with very high speed but still the requirement for a decent amount of downforce.SmallSoldier wrote: ↑04 Mar 2023, 15:59We’ll have to be careful not only with expectations of the new package, but also assessing it when it is delivered… It will depend on where the lap time comes from… Since it could help more in low speed or high speed, therefore it could show more lap time gain in X type of track and less lap time gain in Y type of track (let’s say Hungary vs Monza if we want to go to extremes).mwillems wrote: ↑04 Mar 2023, 15:40
I nice step is one or 2 tenths, a significant step is anything upwards of that, in my view. But I'd cap at half a second. This is all conjecture, but I'm hoping for 3 to 5 tenths just as a gut instinct.
Given that this is half of our winter development and eating into the season, if this update brings 2 tenths then I I'll be really surprised and disappointed.
I would simply wait until Baku and try to understand it at that point, reading too much into the comments will create only disappointment I’m afraid.
We will see what happens in time of course, but I am expecting something to come then I think I'll be a bit disappointed.
Team said car is draggy.Ir3NiCuS wrote: ↑04 Mar 2023, 16:53According to F1 Data Analysis McLaren is now the one with the lowest top speed together with AT, also McLaren has the lowest "time at maximum throttle" during the quickest lap
I guess the engine was in a very low mod plus Mclaren may have a problem with overheating the tires
My prediction is easy Q3 with both car