Italian media says fault with ES + ECU causing those raced to be unrecoverable, and they are still investigating the ES + ECU that they took out on Sunday morning and sent back to factory to inspect - don't know status of these yet. The "unusual parameters", the reason given for replacement, was apparently the ES not discharging overnight as it normally wouldjohnny comelately wrote: ↑06 Mar 2023, 22:29Sorry to come in on this a bit late but any ideas on what happened to Charlie's car?
That 6000-7000km figure refers to distance travelled in testing by the unit:
I think you have to throw in a few simple facts now to see clearly - Leclerc in the SF-23 was 0.300 seconds slower than Verstappen in quali with one run less. Leclerc in the Ferrari was clearly the second fastest car behind the Red Bulls until his retirement. Anyone who doesn't see any potential in this car or even calls it a failure - sorry, but they're not capable of seeing reality. Especially when you consider that this course absolutely multiplies Ferrari's problem with the tires.dialtone wrote: ↑06 Mar 2023, 22:12I don't know what Ferrari will end up doing this year, may fail again... But 2014-2018 Mercedes had such a massive engine advantage that they could have had a tractor and it was going to start and finish in front.Peter Ian Staker wrote:I've been watching F1 for over 2 decades. I've seen every stage of post-2008 Ferrari failure multiple times over.LM10 wrote: ↑06 Mar 2023, 21:12
You can not buy it as much as you can. It’s absolutely normal to need much more time than 3 days of testing and 3 FP sessions to understand a completely new car. Most teams need several races to get on top of things. Mercedes didn’t even understand their car for half a year last season.
If you’re not new to F1 (which I guess you are like many others here) you should also remember the diva of a car Mercedes had in 2017 when for a very long time they didn’t understand why their car was working/not working under certain circumstances.
It’s not easy to make a car work in it‘s window, not on this high level. The tyres alone are a rocket science to understand just for a start.
Mercedes' 2017 "diva" was still very competitive and winning often even before they fully got on top of it.
I don't see that level of competitiveness out of this car.
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There is no trick with anything. Red Bull and Aston Martin only have their own department that is responsible for designing the chassis, aerodynamics, braking system, suspension, etc. with consideration for and in line with the requirements of the tires as early as the design phase. This is a huge advantage, because keeping the tires in the right temperature window, both in qualifying and in the race, is incredibly complicated. In the days of the tire war, every team had such a department (modeled on Ferrari, ironically), but when there was only one manufacturer, almost all teams abolished these departments because they were considered superfluous with one tire manufacturer. Adrian Newey insisted on keeping this department....that's the trick. Nothing else. Matching the car to the tire at the design stage brings huge advantages.Venturiation wrote: ↑06 Mar 2023, 20:32exactly and i don't think it's about copying redbullShal_Leg16 wrote: ↑06 Mar 2023, 19:54Car is not shyt. Obviously fans are venting because they are angry , if we do good job in next few races things will come down to normal...Venturiation wrote: ↑06 Mar 2023, 19:22
the ferrari that was getting poles last year barely won any races and you want this ferrari that can't get poles win against a faster car in race?
just wait until aston martin gets the setup right it's over for ferrari
2023 is dominated by newey and followed by fallows
But I do feel .. this aero/concept has its limitations/serious flaws. look at how swiftly AM changed its fortunes. all they did is steal few Adrien Newey disciples and copy RB concept. Even with the coping everything looks fine. And look at Mercs and Ferrari, both seem like stuck with same persistent issues ... Trying multiple things not knowing what to do.
fallows ( who built the RB18) used what he learned from newey and applied to aston martin but by having original sideopods not a copy
there is something else going on in the floor and front suspension when you think that aston martin is doing that performance with mercedes component
and just look at alfa romeo they have no problem with tyre deg because they have same concept as redbull
haas copied ferrari and they have the same high tyres degradation
i think the concept is just at it's limit or they are stuck and haven't used some trick with the floor or suspension that newey and fallows know
LEC is exceptional around this track.. I’m not sure he will be able to compensate as much on all that many layoutsAndi76 wrote: ↑06 Mar 2023, 23:34I think you have to throw in a few simple facts now to see clearly - Leclerc in the SF-23 was 0.300 seconds slower than Verstappen in quali with one run less. Leclerc in the Ferrari was clearly the second fastest car behind the Red Bulls until his retirement. Anyone who doesn't see any potential in this car or even calls it a failure - sorry, but they're not capable of seeing reality. Especially when you consider that this course absolutely multiplies Ferrari's problem with the tires.dialtone wrote: ↑06 Mar 2023, 22:12I don't know what Ferrari will end up doing this year, may fail again... But 2014-2018 Mercedes had such a massive engine advantage that they could have had a tractor and it was going to start and finish in front.Peter Ian Staker wrote: I've been watching F1 for over 2 decades. I've seen every stage of post-2008 Ferrari failure multiple times over.
Mercedes' 2017 "diva" was still very competitive and winning often even before they fully got on top of it.
I don't see that level of competitiveness out of this car.
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Absolutely right! I have not pronounced it, but you have! It's funny to watch this now! However, they have the same stubbornness as they had with the Mercedes side boxes. At least there they don't turn like a flag in the wind.
It’s not Redbull sidepods
Now that you say it it’s true that Ferrari and Haas have high tyre deg and Alfa romeo doesn’tAndi76 wrote: ↑07 Mar 2023, 00:38Absolutely right! I have not pronounced it, but you have! It's funny to watch this now! However, they have the same stubbornness as they had with the Mercedes side boxes. At least there they don't turn like a flag in the wind.
In addition, now the trick for Low Tyre Deg is the underbody
Alonso was by far the third-fastest driver in free air, especially with hard tyres. I think Lec (i'd like to point out that Leclerc doesn't like understeery cars that don't have a strong front end, so it's probably even performing under his real potential despite the fact that he already adapted his driving style to deal with the SF 23 current limitations) had enough gap to keep second place, but it would have been close. Alonso was able to lap in low 36 which was absolutely impossible for Ferrari last weekend.deadhead wrote: ↑07 Mar 2023, 00:30LEC is exceptional around this track.. I’m not sure he will be able to compensate as much on all that many layoutsAndi76 wrote: ↑06 Mar 2023, 23:34I think you have to throw in a few simple facts now to see clearly - Leclerc in the SF-23 was 0.300 seconds slower than Verstappen in quali with one run less. Leclerc in the Ferrari was clearly the second fastest car behind the Red Bulls until his retirement. Anyone who doesn't see any potential in this car or even calls it a failure - sorry, but they're not capable of seeing reality. Especially when you consider that this course absolutely multiplies Ferrari's problem with the tires.