2023 Saudi Arabian Grand Prix - Jeddah, March 17 - 19

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a strong start from Alonso would probably be best for the race indeed, but the distance to turn 1 is pretty short

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Right, but we were only discussing the thought of Verstappen doing a better lap than Perez which you tried to downplay.

Never did what you accuse me of.

Is this your post?

But it definitely was... Leclerc was 1.1s off Max in FP3 even assuming the rosy prediction of you folks that he'd be 0.5s faster than Checo we are talking about improving the performance of the car from FP3 to quali, relative to RBR by over 0.6s. So yeah I was very much right on the money.

There's a bit of a difference between Max will do a faster lap, which I 100% agreed with, and saying he'll definitely be 0.5s better, and you even added that there's ample evidence. lol.

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Perez had purple in S1 mini sectors until told to abort going by the F1TV commentators.

He did it was visible on the live timing. 5 purple minisectors

Not sure how that equates to messing up his turn 1 however, unless he completely cut the corner and gained an advantage. Which I can’t see. As he wouldn’t continue the lap

On his final attempt, which he didn't complete, he followed Alonso out of the last corner and hot a tow to the start/finish line, which accounts for the purple mini sectors. He then cut the corner at T2 and abandoned the attempt. No instructions over the radio, he simply slowed after the error.

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Perez didn't even do a second run! And you people tried to downplay the gap last weekend in Bahrain when Leclerc didn't do a second run vs the RBs. You can't have it both ways.

well, yes, but because he messed up his lap (missed turn 1) when trying to improve. It's not like RBR did only one run because they were that far ahead. I expected more from Ferrari as well, but Perez first attempt was still pretty good.

Rb's biggest gains were coming from S2 and S3. AMR is probably the best car in S1. We don't know what laptime he would have done. Even if he didn't improve in S1, he could have found pace in the last 2 sectors. 1 messup in 1 part of the circuit doesn't mean no part of the first lap at some other part of the circuit couldn't have been better.

Verstappen's level suggest there was more performance to be had from the car, even if Perez missed T1.

Perez had a tow from Alonso and missed T1 because he was too fast and didn't adjust the braking point, he literally cut T2, his lap wasn't going to count anyway as he left the track, I don't think "he could have improved still" is a valid argument, also unlikely anyway given how badly he missed T1.

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Never did what you accuse me of.

Is this your post?

But it definitely was... Leclerc was 1.1s off Max in FP3 even assuming the rosy prediction of you folks that he'd be 0.5s faster than Checo we are talking about improving the performance of the car from FP3 to quali, relative to RBR by over 0.6s. So yeah I was very much right on the money.

There's a bit of a difference between Max will do a faster lap, which I 100% agreed with, and saying he'll definitely be 0.5s better, and you even added that there's ample evidence. lol.

Yes, there is.

1) In FP3 he nearly matched Perez's soft tire run, while being on hard tires, and was eventually 6 tenths clear of Perez on softs in FP3

2) In Q1 he was half a second up on Perez.

3) Leclerc had a half second gap to his inferior teammate in Q3 today. Or are gaps of this size between generational talents, and their lesser teammates not fathomable? Or does it only work for Leclerc.

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Is this your post?

There's a bit of a difference between Max will do a faster lap, which I 100% agreed with, and saying he'll definitely be 0.5s better, and you even added that there's ample evidence. lol.

Yes, there is.

1) In FP3 he nearly matched Perez's soft tire run, while being on hard tires, and was eventually 6 tenths clear of Perez on softs in FP3

2) In Q1 he was half a second up on Perez.

3) Leclerc had a half second gap to his inferior teammate in Q3 today. Or are gaps of this size between generational talents, and their lesser teammates not fathomable? Or does it only work for Leclerc.

They are fathomable, not guarantee. You seem to be taking to the bank that he'll be 0.5s faster each time, that's a ridiculous claim, last year Checo was on pole here not Max, and guess what? In FP3 Max was 0.6s ahead of Cecho last year as well. What about Q1 2022? Checo was 0.8s off. And yet he was on pole come Q3.

Ultimately I don't care, he broke his car, where he could have been doesn't matter, they have the strongest car anyway.

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Ultimately I don't care, he broke his car, where he could have been doesn't matter, they have the strongest car anyway.

Now he broke his car .

Like Leclerc did last race right?

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Ultimately I don't care, he broke his car, where he could have been doesn't matter, they have the strongest car anyway.

Now he broke his car .

Like Leclerc did last race right?

Changing topic huh?

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Ultimately I don't care, he broke his car, where he could have been doesn't matter, they have the strongest car anyway.

Now he broke his car .

Like Leclerc did last race right?

Actually he did as it looks like he gave a wall a touch with his rear tyre which is probably what has caused the driveshaft failure.

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Ultimately I don't care, he broke his car, where he could have been doesn't matter, they have the strongest car anyway.

Now he broke his car .

Like Leclerc did last race right?

Actually he did as it looks like he gave a wall a touch with his rear tyre which is probably what has caused the driveshaft failure.

He did not, I was watching his onboard on F1TV and there was no contact or steering correction from Max.

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Ultimately I don't care, he broke his car, where he could have been doesn't matter, they have the strongest car anyway.

Now he broke his car .

Like Leclerc did last race right?

Actually he did as it looks like he gave a wall a touch with his rear tyre which is probably what has caused the driveshaft failure.

This would actually be a better scenario for RB. To know that Max actually caused it...Is there any footage?

The alternative is they have some deep rooted issues with this gear train.

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Hamilton sleeping again??

This is unacceptable again at Jeddah like last year! Can’t understand why he can’t get the car to work at this track…

In 2021 he was rapid around here…

Was he though, let's remember he barely beat Bottas, the man that's getting all he can handle against Zhou.

Yup. He only got pole on 2021 because Max crashed while on a monster lap and Mercedes was much quicker at that point in the championship. Now he´s 7th again.....

Alonso also was pretty underwhelming today. Stroll is clearly not 100% prepared yet but he was the only one threatening Perez, despite only having one set of tyres for Q3

Were we watching the same thing today?
Alonso beat Stroll in all Qualifying sessions. His absolute best S2 & S3 times were superior to Stroll's, even though Stroll indeed gained on him in S1. Better tyre warm-up could've contributed to that (it was Stroll's second flying lap on that set, while Nando only had one on both sets).

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Ultimately I don't care, he broke his car, where he could have been doesn't matter, they have the strongest car anyway.

Now he broke his car .

Like Leclerc did last race right?

Changing topic huh?

No, I'm unaware that he broke his car.

For what it's worth, someone says below you that he might have hit the wall. This was not reported in my Sky stream or anywhere so naturally I didn't consider it.

Is there something else you saw to conclude this?

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Alonso says that RB and Ferrari are in another league on race pace:

Alonso: "I didn't think I could get this result. Being competitive here fills us with energy. At race pace, Ferrari and Red Bull are in another league. Max will come. The fight is in our mirrors. It's tempting to think about victory, but Red Bull is unreachable"

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Now he broke his car .

Like Leclerc did last race right?

Changing topic huh?

No, I'm unaware that he broke his car.

For what it's worth, someone says below you that he might have hit the wall. This was not reported in my Sky stream or anywhere so naturally I didn't consider it.

Is there something else you saw to conclude this?

That was just a comment I put there, worded awkwardly perhaps, I had no intention to say it was his fault. On the other hand you are changing topic on the 0.5s ahead from Max despite the ample evidence, also present last year by the way, when on pole was Checo.