2023 Saudi Arabian Grand Prix - Jeddah, March 17 - 19

[f1jcw]

I still don’t think the result would have differed if there was no SC to be fair.

Hamilton benefitted and the Ferraris lost out, it made Max's job easier but he was going to get there eventually.

Not really, it would have benefitted Lewis if it was later, his hard tyres were at that moment beating the old Mediums and if they’d have had the safety car 10 laps later, he’d have being able to push more in the mediums when everyone switched to hards

[f1jcw]

Who was your driver of the day? For me it was Alonso. Aston Martin led a Grand Prix for the first time. Historic moment. He kept everything under full control, almost playing with his rivals from Mercedes, never asking more from his car than he needed to, never showing them his true hand. He carried himself like a Champion all the way after.

Except being able to line his car up on that grid correctly….

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I still don’t think the result would have differed if there was no SC to be fair.

Hamilton benefitted and the Ferraris lost out, it made Max's job easier but he was going to get there eventually.

Not really, it would have benefitted Lewis if it was later, his hard tyres were at that moment beating the old Mediums and if they’d have had the safety car 10 laps later, he’d have being able to push more in the mediums when everyone switched to hards

he was running 9th before the pit cycle (8th without Stroll), and slower than Ocon. Sure, a later Safety Car would have been even better for him, but he still benefitted for sure.

[DGP123]

George continues the Lewis beat down.

And yet, Lewis has more points.

[Sevach]

I still don’t think the result would have differed if there was no SC to be fair.

Hamilton benefitted and the Ferraris lost out, it made Max's job easier but he was going to get there eventually.

Not really, it would have benefitted Lewis if it was later, his hard tyres were at that moment beating the old Mediums and if they’d have had the safety car 10 laps later, he’d have being able to push more in the mediums when everyone switched to hards

Who on mediums was he catching?
It helped him jump Leclerc, Ocon and erased his gap to Sainz and Russel.

[Stu]

Plenty occurred post race...

I do however think there needs to be clearer rules regarding this. I think there should be no ‘addressing the car’ when it pulls up for its penalty. Therefore all the mechanics shouldn’t be able to move from the positions they start at when the car is about to be driven into the pit box. That way you have no jacks in place, no mechanics about to lift the tyre away, no wheel nut guns about to buzz the nut off the wheel. If the mechanics keep in line with the 2 yellow lines on the pit box this means that it becomes impossible to start to work on the car or inadvertently touch it.

Easiest way is state that pit crew (team members maybe?) are not allowed onto the pit lane until penalty is served?

[DGP123]

Who was your driver of the day? For me it was Alonso. Aston Martin led a Grand Prix for the first time. Historic moment. He kept everything under full control, almost playing with his rivals from Mercedes, never asking more from his car than he needed to, never showing them his true hand. He carried himself like a Champion all the way after.

Except being able to line his car up on that grid correctly….

Alonso can do no wrong atm. He’s seen as the only positive thing coming from this season, in what will be a total dud of a year. The novelty of him being up there and getting podiums will eventually wear off.

Would have been nice to have seen him actually challenge RB, but the AM is way off. He’s made a good career move, but at the end of the day, he’s still miles off another championship.

[Postmoe]

Plenty occurred post race...

I do however think there needs to be clearer rules regarding this. I think there should be no ‘addressing the car’ when it pulls up for its penalty. Therefore all the mechanics shouldn’t be able to move from the positions they start at when the car is about to be driven into the pit box. That way you have no jacks in place, no mechanics about to lift the tyre away, no wheel nut guns about to buzz the nut off the wheel. If the mechanics keep in line with the 2 yellow lines on the pit box this means that it becomes impossible to start to work on the car or inadvertently touch it.

Easiest way is state that pit crew (team members maybe?) are not allowed onto the pit lane until penalty is served?

That would call for shortening the amount of seconds IMO, because you are making it effectively longer than 5 secs.

[f1jcw]

Hamilton benefitted and the Ferraris lost out, it made Max's job easier but he was going to get there eventually.

Not really, it would have benefitted Lewis if it was later, his hard tyres were at that moment beating the old Mediums and if they’d have had the safety car 10 laps later, he’d have being able to push more in the mediums when everyone switched to hards

he was running 9th before the pit cycle (8th without Stroll), and slower than Ocon. Sure, a later Safety Car would have been even better for him, but he still benefitted for sure.

Ocon had already pitted I believe

[chrisc90]

Only problem with not being allowed out the garage is the rush to get to the car. Safety concerns mechanics brining tyres out around cars, getting into position etc. plus you would be longer than the 5 seconds penalty so even more disadvantage to the others.

There’s normally 2 big yellow lines for the car to Position itself in.

Made simple no mechanic can be further forward of the line. No wheel guns crossing it, no hands ready to pick up the wheel. Super simple to enforce with a overhead camera or front or rear camera.

Team is still out there here ready to pit the car, so nobody would be disadvantaged.

[f1jcw]

Only problem with not being allowed out the garage is the rush to get to the car. Safety concerns mechanics brining tyres out around cars, getting into position etc. plus you would be longer than the 5 seconds penalty so even more disadvantage to the others.

There’s normally 2 big yellow lines for the car to Position itself in.

Made simple no mechanic can be further forward of the line. No wheel guns crossing it, no hands ready to pick up the wheel. Super simple to enforce with a overhead camera or front or rear camera.

Team is still out there here ready to pit the car, so nobody would be disadvantaged.

Just add the time onto the end. Though in the past someone would have wept "that is unfair, if Lewis had taken the penalty it would have cost him much more then 5 seconds, [rant/cry/lucky/fixed/mafia/etc/etc]

[SiLo]

Hamilton benefitted and the Ferraris lost out, it made Max's job easier but he was going to get there eventually.

Not really, it would have benefitted Lewis if it was later, his hard tyres were at that moment beating the old Mediums and if they’d have had the safety car 10 laps later, he’d have being able to push more in the mediums when everyone switched to hards

he was running 9th before the pit cycle (8th without Stroll), and slower than Ocon. Sure, a later Safety Car would have been even better for him, but he still benefitted for sure.

He was catching Ocon quite quickly just before Ocon jumped into the pits. He benefitted from the Safety car though, this can't be ignored lol.

Really what the SC did was ruin the rest of the race for us, as there were at least a few different drivers on different strategies that could have made things a bit more entertaining for us.

[Capharol]

I still don’t think the result would have differed if there was no SC to be fair.

Hamilton benefitted and the Ferraris lost out, it made Max's job easier but he was going to get there eventually.

maybe, yeah, but Verstappen was 15s behind Alonso when the Safety Car came out, with Russell (and potentially Sainz, depending on the time of the stop) in between. In the end Alonso finished 15s behind. So it could have been close at least.

No is wouldn't have been, as Max would have pushed more and would have driven faster as Checo did on the M, extend his stint and get Q-Laps in till he would have overtaken ALO and extend that lead till +5s.
If VER would have overtaken RUS after the restart of SC he would have been closer to Checo aswell, but because he was stuck behind the Merc until DRS was back Checo could take a comfortable lead.

Checo did a great drive and he deserved to win as without SC he would have done that aswell, but VER would be easily 2nd even without SC

[Big Tea]

A big story for me for this is race is Perez vs Max.
Can Perez make this year exciting and fight for the title.
We saw where redbull gave him a time delta just to bring Max into play. He was told to do 36.6's and smartly Perez asked why the team want him to slow down, then he asked ehat times is Max doing. Team told him 36.4's.
So perez rightfully asked why are they doing that?!
It's great that Perez has a racing braing and is smart enough to know when the team are trying to prioritize Max over him.
It was a low point from the team. It's clear they still want him to play #2 and not challenge Max.
But with the other cars so far away, we will be seeing Perez and Max on the front row for many races and Max will have to focus more on being quicker over the race distance to stay ahead. The team will also need to sharpen up their reliability to give both cars a fair fighting chance to win. Now it seems Perez has the luckier chassis.

Is this a sky sports job application?

Yes! Anyhow point made. Perez given a target that was not necessary when his teammate was driving faster than the target.

As for Bernie Collins. The scottsgirl? I think she is good. I like the technical feedback. She will get better as time passes.

She is from Fermanagh Ireland.

[DDopey]

Perez can win only and only if Verstappen gets 2016 Hamiltoned. Reliability… but going back to traditional circuits, Max has him easily. 0.5 in Q at least. Then after first corner is just management while Perez destroys his tyres.

It would be funny if at the end of this season Max was hampered by reliability that much but than still wins the WDC with one the point ( the jeddah fast lap point ).