I dont think it affects their plans at all. I think its generally understood their improvement this weekend is due to the low deg track, the track layout itself combined with some positive setup changes. The imola upgrade is still on track and it will mark the beginning of their new direction. Now dont expect a redbull lookalike. Mike elliott said during testing its gonna look like an evolution of this car, but will have sidepods. The mid wing is probably gone and the bath tub like engine cover section will likely change too. But most likely they will bring a new floor as well. Cant wait to see the actual car.
As an addition, Australia is a front limited track which will disguise issues if a car has a relatively weaker rear end as the W14 does.Hammerfist wrote: ↑03 Apr 2023, 21:14I dont think it affects their plans at all. I think its generally understood their improvement this weekend is due to the low deg track, the track layout itself combined with some positive setup changes. The imola upgrade is still on track and it will mark the beginning of their new direction. Now dont expect a redbull lookalike. Mike elliott said during testing its gonna look like an evolution of this car, but will have sidepods. The mid wing is probably gone and the bath tub like engine cover section will likely change too. But most likely they will bring a new floor as well. Cant wait to see the actual car.
As I have mentioned before. I a sure that they have slightly miscalculated the final drive that is a bit too short. The engine is reaching it target rpm with Drs closed in which is fine. RB reaches the same rpm with its Drs open and 35 km higher top speed. Due to the fuel restrictions and that the maximum fuel flow occurs at 10500 rpm, all the engines has basically more or less the same power curve. They can change the final drive ratio, but it has to be declared and approved by all the other teams. Any taughts on this?AR3-GP wrote: ↑28 Mar 2023, 19:35It's not clear that Mercedes solved their drag problem.
All they did was bolt on a lower downforce, lower drag rear wing. Now Hamilton complains that he lacks confidence in the rear of the car, and Mercedes say the car does not have enough downforce.
Chopping up the rear wing has that effect...
I think it is clear, but usually in this thread Toto is a godlike figure:
Interesting theory.toraabe wrote: ↑04 Apr 2023, 10:40As I have mentioned before. I a sure that they have slightly miscalculated the final drive that is a bit too short. The engine is reaching it target rpm with Drs closed in which is fine. RB reaches the same rpm with its Drs open and 35 km higher top speed. Due to the fuel restrictions and that the maximum fuel flow occurs at 10500 rpm, all the engines has basically more or less the same power curve. They can change the final drive ratio, but it has to be declared and approved by all the other teams. Any taughts on this?AR3-GP wrote: ↑28 Mar 2023, 19:35It's not clear that Mercedes solved their drag problem.
All they did was bolt on a lower downforce, lower drag rear wing. Now Hamilton complains that he lacks confidence in the rear of the car, and Mercedes say the car does not have enough downforce.
Chopping up the rear wing has that effect...
And it stands to reason that a team boss would know more about what is planned than a poster on this thread.basti313 wrote: ↑04 Apr 2023, 11:04I think it is clear, but usually in this thread Toto is a godlike figure:
- You do not talk about your development, especially not in a way like this, so not about real things that happen.
- What Toto sais and what really happens is always two different things. This is not different from most team managers...
- They have a plan from beginning of the season and they follow it. Maybe they adjust a bit to make the rear stronger, but a concept change is nonsense.
- They simply can not change the rads packing mid-season, there is no resources for this. They would need to make changes to the tub. So any sidepod change is limited to a bit of changing the air flow, that anyways any team is doing all the time.
Yes, I would never say different. My argument is that he would never tell the other smart posters on this thread or the other teams the truth about what is planned.ValeVida46 wrote: ↑04 Apr 2023, 13:14And it stands to reason that a team boss would know more about what is planned than a poster on this thread.basti313 wrote: ↑04 Apr 2023, 11:04I think it is clear, but usually in this thread Toto is a godlike figure:
- You do not talk about your development, especially not in a way like this, so not about real things that happen.
- What Toto sais and what really happens is always two different things. This is not different from most team managers...
- They have a plan from beginning of the season and they follow it. Maybe they adjust a bit to make the rear stronger, but a concept change is nonsense.
- They simply can not change the rads packing mid-season, there is no resources for this. They would need to make changes to the tub. So any sidepod change is limited to a bit of changing the air flow, that anyways any team is doing all the time.
Because they did not.ValeVida46 wrote: ↑04 Apr 2023, 13:14Williams and Aston Martin managed to change with a different rad configuration last year, as specified on these very pages where they came with different cooling centrelines and Radiator layouts compared to the start of the season. So it would be interesting to know why Williams and Aston Martin can do so, but Mercedes cannot?
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If anyone knows what Mercedes is doing at the Factory it will be Toto Wolff, the buck stops with him. Yes he engages in PR spin, but he's not going to say precisely what Mercedes are focusing on to deflect attention from the other teams.
Erm Toto owns 33% of the Mercedes team, he's not exactly like other F1 team bosses.- What Toto sais and what really happens is always two different things. This is not different from most team managers...
It's clear the W14 is not what they expected performance wise and have had to change plans rapidly. The big changes probably won't appear until later in the season. They can and will change the concept if the current one is not going to get them on par with Red Bull. Even if the change doesn't bear fruit until 2024.- They have a plan from beginning of the season and they follow it. Maybe they adjust a bit to make the rear stronger, but a concept change is nonsense.
If they need to rejig the cooling systems they'll find a way to do it, likely at the expense of other developments. What they won't do is redesign the chassis from the ground up for this season, that'll be in the pipeline for 2024.- They simply can not change the rads packing mid-season, there is no resources for this. They would need to make changes to the tub. So any sidepod change is limited to a bit of changing the air flow, that anyways any team is doing all the time.
I've provided the links to show that Williams did indeed change their cooling and rad positioning.basti313 wrote: ↑04 Apr 2023, 14:06Because they did not.
For Williams it is a quite obvious backmarker move, they just changed the rad angle a bit, moved some auxiliaries. We can argue without making a real point about the word "concept", but they just put a big, empty piece of bodywork in front of the rear wheel. For me this is a quick fix of a bad car, not a concept. I would even say it was not a fix, it did not make the car any better.
Same for Aston. They did not make the car any better with a 1:1 sidepod copy of the RedBull. Because they could only change the internals for the 23 season. The performance jump is obvious, isn't it?
This is definitely not what Merc needs to do, Merc needs a concept to be/stay in the top 3.
That's called jumping the gun. In track and feild any superhuman reactions are deemed as moving before physically hearing the gun fire.AR3-GP wrote: ↑04 Apr 2023, 22:10https://preview.redd.it/ebrccbwz6wra1.j ... d064fba41f
This is considered to be well above average.
I think drag racing deletes any start under .2s reaction time.ringo wrote: ↑05 Apr 2023, 06:01That's called jumping the gun. In track and feild any superhuman reactions are deemed as moving before physically hearing the gun fire.AR3-GP wrote: ↑04 Apr 2023, 22:10https://preview.redd.it/ebrccbwz6wra1.j ... d064fba41f
This is considered to be well above average.
I know reacting to starting a race on legs is different than launching a car, but it goes to show the kid loves to gamble. It's admirable that he is willing to push the limits and take risks.
wasn't this rule changed after bottas jump start in 2017 when he moved before lights went out but didn't trigger the transponder?Zynerji wrote: ↑05 Apr 2023, 06:29I think drag racing deletes any start under .2s reaction time.ringo wrote: ↑05 Apr 2023, 06:01That's called jumping the gun. In track and feild any superhuman reactions are deemed as moving before physically hearing the gun fire.AR3-GP wrote: ↑04 Apr 2023, 22:10https://preview.redd.it/ebrccbwz6wra1.j ... d064fba41f
This is considered to be well above average.
I know reacting to starting a race on legs is different than launching a car, but it goes to show the kid loves to gamble. It's admirable that he is willing to push the limits and take risks.
