If there was no budget cap, everyone of the big 3 teams would have had a lot more development, not just Ferrari. Rb would have started the season underweight. Mercedes would have been able to spend their way out of the problems of the W13. New chassis, new everything, whatever they wanted as long as money could buy it.Venturiation wrote: ↑20 Apr 2023, 01:02i think the biggest issue is the budget cap
if there wasn't a budget cap ferrari would have won 2022 and made a perfect car for 2023
not only that but from the start the car would be way more advanced and porpoising would have been controlled from race 1AR3-GP wrote: ↑20 Apr 2023, 01:10If there was no budget cap, everyone of the big 3 teams would have had a lot more development, not just Ferrari. Rb would have started the season underweight. Mercedes would have been able to spend their way out of the problems of the W13. New chassis, new everything, whatever they wanted as long as money could buy it.Venturiation wrote: ↑20 Apr 2023, 01:02i think the biggest issue is the budget cap
if there wasn't a budget cap ferrari would have won 2022 and made a perfect car for 2023
Don't be fooled by the "we care about Haas and Williams" narrative. While it has a comforting david vs goliath type of feel, it was never about them. Mercedes, Ferrari, and RB stakeholders voted for this system. The three of them are the most dominant political powers in this sport and the budget cap would never have happened without their complicity. It's about money for them too. None of them really wanted to spend 500 million a season, but they did because their rivals did. With their rivals forced under the same budget cap, they gladly took the opportunity to cut their cost while increasing their income.Venturiation wrote: ↑20 Apr 2023, 01:25not only that but from the start the car would be way more advanced and porpoising would have been controlled from race 1AR3-GP wrote: ↑20 Apr 2023, 01:10If there was no budget cap, everyone of the big 3 teams would have had a lot more development, not just Ferrari. Rb would have started the season underweight. Mercedes would have been able to spend their way out of the problems of the W13. New chassis, new everything, whatever they wanted as long as money could buy it.Venturiation wrote: ↑20 Apr 2023, 01:02i think the biggest issue is the budget cap
if there wasn't a budget cap ferrari would have won 2022 and made a perfect car for 2023
teams could have also tested others concepts
but mostly ferrari that had a good car at the started they would have fixed all their problems and be ahead of redbull, you can also experience more with upgrades every race
i don't understand why they are ruining the F1 just to let teams like haas and williams to stay, they are in just for the money
F1 should be about what you can make the best with unlimited budget and CFD wind tunnel
I don't think I agree entirely here...AR3-GP wrote: ↑20 Apr 2023, 01:30Don't be fooled by the "we care about Haas and Williams" narrative. While it has a comforting david vs goliath type of feel, it was never about them. Mercedes, Ferrari, and RB stakeholders voted for this system. The three of them are the most dominant political powers in this sport and the budget cap would never have happened without their complicity. It's about money for them too. None of them really wanted to spend 500 million a season, but they did because their rivals did. With their rivals forced under the same budget cap, they gladly took the opportunity to cut their cost while increasing their income.Venturiation wrote: ↑20 Apr 2023, 01:25not only that but from the start the car would be way more advanced and porpoising would have been controlled from race 1AR3-GP wrote: ↑20 Apr 2023, 01:10
If there was no budget cap, everyone of the big 3 teams would have had a lot more development, not just Ferrari. Rb would have started the season underweight. Mercedes would have been able to spend their way out of the problems of the W13. New chassis, new everything, whatever they wanted as long as money could buy it.
teams could have also tested others concepts
but mostly ferrari that had a good car at the started they would have fixed all their problems and be ahead of redbull, you can also experience more with upgrades every race
i don't understand why they are ruining the F1 just to let teams like haas and williams to stay, they are in just for the money
F1 should be about what you can make the best with unlimited budget and CFD wind tunnel
Ferrari never had interest in the top prototype class until they were no longer spending 500 million or whatever it was in F1.dialtone wrote: ↑20 Apr 2023, 06:06I don't think I agree entirely here...AR3-GP wrote: ↑20 Apr 2023, 01:30Don't be fooled by the "we care about Haas and Williams" narrative. While it has a comforting david vs goliath type of feel, it was never about them. Mercedes, Ferrari, and RB stakeholders voted for this system. The three of them are the most dominant political powers in this sport and the budget cap would never have happened without their complicity. It's about money for them too. None of them really wanted to spend 500 million a season, but they did because their rivals did. With their rivals forced under the same budget cap, they gladly took the opportunity to cut their cost while increasing their income.Venturiation wrote: ↑20 Apr 2023, 01:25
not only that but from the start the car would be way more advanced and porpoising would have been controlled from race 1
teams could have also tested others concepts
but mostly ferrari that had a good car at the started they would have fixed all their problems and be ahead of redbull, you can also experience more with upgrades every race
i don't understand why they are ruining the F1 just to let teams like haas and williams to stay, they are in just for the money
F1 should be about what you can make the best with unlimited budget and CFD wind tunnel
Ferrari approved TD-39, the removal of private testing, the F1 rules for 2005, the change of tires mid season in 2013, the change of tires mid season in 2019 and so on. I think It's entirely fair to say that a team that, after the cap introduction, decided to invest another $150mm+ in WEC, wasn't a team that was looking for a cost cut. It's fairly hard to impossible to let go people in Italy, their expenses are somewhat set, they can reallocate some of them to wec, some probably to their car production line, but there's a limit to how many they can move around.
This is F1Technical, not Facebook.Mr.S wrote: ↑20 Apr 2023, 07:38Ferrari is being run really bad. The review request was a joke. There was no new evidence & Sainz absolutely deserved the penalty after knocking Alonso out. 5s is the lowest possible penalty. If anything, I hop he got some additional penalty points.
Ferrari are the only team which after fixing PU issues from last year @ the same level while every single other team have made a big step-up, from Aston to Mercedes to RB & even Alpine ! Ferrari have got nothing with the PU getting fixed (rumoured). And Vassuer till now has shown this is beyond his capability. Let's see what happens. There is a reason Ferrari are deservedly 4th when they thought they will be 1st or 2nd !
Fair points yes.AR3-GP wrote: ↑20 Apr 2023, 07:07Ferrari never had interest in the top prototype class until they were no longer spending 500 million or whatever it was in F1.dialtone wrote: ↑20 Apr 2023, 06:06I don't think I agree entirely here...AR3-GP wrote: ↑20 Apr 2023, 01:30
Don't be fooled by the "we care about Haas and Williams" narrative. While it has a comforting david vs goliath type of feel, it was never about them. Mercedes, Ferrari, and RB stakeholders voted for this system. The three of them are the most dominant political powers in this sport and the budget cap would never have happened without their complicity. It's about money for them too. None of them really wanted to spend 500 million a season, but they did because their rivals did. With their rivals forced under the same budget cap, they gladly took the opportunity to cut their cost while increasing their income.
Ferrari approved TD-39, the removal of private testing, the F1 rules for 2005, the change of tires mid season in 2013, the change of tires mid season in 2019 and so on. I think It's entirely fair to say that a team that, after the cap introduction, decided to invest another $150mm+ in WEC, wasn't a team that was looking for a cost cut. It's fairly hard to impossible to let go people in Italy, their expenses are somewhat set, they can reallocate some of them to wec, some probably to their car production line, but there's a limit to how many they can move around.
Now they get to participate in two premier motorsports categories on the original budget or less. Is Ferrari really going to be complaint about that? Nevermind the fact that their heritage payments subsidize a large part of the budget cap…
Venturiation wrote: ↑20 Apr 2023, 01:02i think the biggest issue is the budget cap
if there wasn't a budget cap ferrari would have won 2022 and made a perfect car for 2023