Max Verstappen had a mountain to climb from 9th o the grid but thanks to his dominant Red Bull RB19 he still managed to make it look easy to take the Miami Grand Prix victory. Team mate Sergio Perez led the entire race until 5 laps from the end as Fernando Alonso completed the podium.
Agree about GR car control, he's making too many incidents like this, Sainz and Zhou among them !
And with a short memory after the plane crash he caused to Valteri, then finished with a slap on the head to VB, now he places another driver's comments as loss of control building himself an Ocon reputation if not careful there.
I look forward to those side by side battles, which ever one come out on top, makes the racing exciting. GR was left room on the inside but ultimately braked too late. All his subsequent comments are born of embarrassment.
Fully agree ...
Absolutely nothing wrong with hard and tough racing, but braking too late/divebomb and bite a huge chuck out of your opponents sidepod (instead of some contact) is one thing, but remaining on your high horse afterwards is silly. And not just once, but he keeps doing that. Like you said, Ocon'ish ..
Long time it may benefit George to cultivate a reputation for being one to avoid in lap 1 scraps; it could become very profitable once their car is capable of fighting for wins on merit.
Max did the same and benefited heavily during the first half of the 2021 season from that reputation that he built whilst driving a regular podium scoring car, which is what the w14 also is
The W14 has had 1 podium this year from 5 races. That's far from "regular"
Not really basics to build your argument on though.
How many 1st lap incidents have you seen similar and the driver was punished? Plenty.
The FIA said nothing doing.
Having cold tyres and full load of fuel is an intrinsic fact for every car starting the race.
That is a solid foundation for any argument on 1st lap incidents.
As for the rest... numerous 1st lap incidents go unpunished. That doesn't change the previous point.
And nor does it change the glaring omission that Max could've breezed past George a few corners later down the straight.
Aside from Red Bull blowing everyone away by a second a lap, this was the only talking point of the weekend
Roles reversed and there would no doubt be opinions changed.
Roles the same and no doubt opinions would also be vice versa. Having a full tank and cold tires does not give you the right to lose control. In fact you should be extra careful.
And on the question earlier by Basti I think, if Max ever slid into someone in the first lap, yes, Ricciardo in Hungary. It happened once in his 8 years. Also, it wouldn’t have happened at all if Kimi did not put Max on the astroturf a few corners before that (imho illegally) as Max was in front of Ricciardo before that (outqualified him) but that does not excuse it, Max also made this mistake at one time.
Roles the same and no doubt opinions would also be vice versa. Having a full tank and cold tires does not give you the right to lose control. In fact you should be extra careful.
And on the question earlier by Basti I think, if Max ever slid into someone in the first lap, yes, Ricciardo in Hungary. It happened once in his 8 years. Also, it wouldn’t have happened at all if Kimi did not put Max on the astroturf a few corners before that (imho illegally) as Max was in front of Ricciardo before that (outqualified him) but that does not excuse it, Max also made this mistake at one time.
Max has had a lot of 1st lap 1st corner issues where he has nearly hit or hit another driver.
Roles the same and no doubt opinions would also be vice versa. Having a full tank and cold tires does not give you the right to lose control. In fact you should be extra careful.
Physics doesn't care about right to lose control or keep it, it just is.
Last I checked, every driver has the right to lose control. If you want to go down that road of banning or sanctioning drivers for losing control, forget about racing.
And on the question earlier by Basti I think, if Max ever slid into someone in the first lap, yes, Ricciardo in Hungary. It happened once in his 8 years. Also, it wouldn’t have happened at all if Kimi did not put Max on the astroturf a few corners before that (imho illegally) as Max was in front of Ricciardo before that (outqualified him) but that does not excuse it, Max also made this mistake at one time.
But you are suggesting Kimi as at fault for Max punting his own team mate out. Kimi had nothing to do with that at all.
There's a ton of incidents here including the Ricciardo incident. It's all fine and dandy to have a pop at George when actually it was really minor. Max finished the sprint and got 1 less point than he ought to have. I think Max reaction is more to deflect from the fact that Perez had his number all weekend. George is just being used as a scapegoat.
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Fully agree ...
Absolutely nothing wrong with hard and tough racing, but braking too late/divebomb and bite a huge chuck out of your opponents sidepod (instead of some contact) is one thing, but remaining on your high horse afterwards is silly. And not just once, but he keeps doing that. Like you said, Ocon'ish ..
Long time it may benefit George to cultivate a reputation for being one to avoid in lap 1 scraps; it could become very profitable once their car is capable of fighting for wins on merit.
Max did the same and benefited heavily during the first half of the 2021 season from that reputation that he built whilst driving a regular podium scoring car, which is what the w14 also is
The W14 has had 1 podium this year from 5 races. That's far from "regular"
Roles the same and no doubt opinions would also be vice versa. Having a full tank and cold tires does not give you the right to lose control. In fact you should be extra careful.
And on the question earlier by Basti I think, if Max ever slid into someone in the first lap, yes, Ricciardo in Hungary. It happened once in his 8 years. Also, it wouldn’t have happened at all if Kimi did not put Max on the astroturf a few corners before that (imho illegally) as Max was in front of Ricciardo before that (outqualified him) but that does not excuse it, Max also made this mistake at one time.
Max has had a lot of 1st lap 1st corner issues where he has nearly hit or hit another driver.
The question was if he had slid into someone else in a first lap incident. I think I answered that quite honoustly and to the best of my memory. What nearly happened or happened to Max as others were at fault is not relevant, not reality and not what was asked.
Roles the same and no doubt opinions would also be vice versa. Having a full tank and cold tires does not give you the right to lose control. In fact you should be extra careful.
Physics doesn't care about right to lose control or keep it, it just is.
Last I checked, every driver has the right to lose control. If you want to go down that road of banning or sanctioning drivers for losing control, forget about racing.
And on the question earlier by Basti I think, if Max ever slid into someone in the first lap, yes, Ricciardo in Hungary. It happened once in his 8 years. Also, it wouldn’t have happened at all if Kimi did not put Max on the astroturf a few corners before that (imho illegally) as Max was in front of Ricciardo before that (outqualified him) but that does not excuse it, Max also made this mistake at one time.
But you are suggesting Kimi as at fault for Max punting his own team mate out. Kimi had nothing to do with that at all.
There's a ton of incidents here including the Ricciardo incident. It's all fine and dandy to have a pop at George when actually it was really minor. Max finished the sprint and got 1 less point than he ought to have. I think Max reaction is more to deflect from the fact that Perez had his number all weekend. George is just being used as a scapegoat. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lkAoSgh ... l=FORMULA1
Kimi has everything to do with the fact Max was passed by Ricciardo (and tried to regain the position to ambitiously) as it was Kimi that put Max out of the track in an imho illegal move allowing Ricci to overtake Max. What kimi is not is at fault for Max’ mistake there. Of course not and why you would suggest such a thing is beyond me.
Kimi has everything to do with the fact Max was passed by Ricciardo (and tried to regain the position to ambitiously) as it was Kimi that put Max out of the track in an imho illegal move allowing Ricci to overtake Max. What kimi is not is at fault for Max’ mistake there. Of course not and why you would suggest such a thing is beyond me.
Long time it may benefit George to cultivate a reputation for being one to avoid in lap 1 scraps; it could become very profitable once their car is capable of fighting for wins on merit.
Max did the same and benefited heavily during the first half of the 2021 season from that reputation that he built whilst driving a regular podium scoring car, which is what the w14 also is
Can't really agree with both points honestly, but that's just me. To add some fuel: I have this feeling GR will become that forever talent that will have his race wins here and there, but will never become WDC .. be it bad luck, bad timing, dunno.
But there's just something about him. Not to say he isn't a talented guy; not at all, he's very talented. But I feel he he'll be having that Alonso touch of being in the wrong place at the wrong time.
Anyway, it's just my feeling .. put it aside.
building himself an Ocon reputation if not careful there.
