2023 - McLaren Formula 1 Team

[Ben1980]

Maybe instead of fighting for Piastri and paying compensation to Rick, it was necessary to buy Fallows?

Fallows agreed to move to Aston in 2021, its nothing to do with piastri or ricciardo.

[Ben1980]

Why McLaren Formula E, Extreme?
If you chase two hares, you won't catch up with one.

Unsure what the relevance is here. Don't see how they are related.

[Lucky]

What does that even mean?

The fact is, the car wasn't good enough, they sacked the guy in charge, put in a new process to make things better, including recruitment from Ferrari and a new structure. They are actively working on trying to improve it all.

I think every fan is fully aware of the facts.

But those tractor pictures...keep at it, it's so good.

These are excuses, McLaren has not built a top car for more than 10 years.
Engineers change, engines change, and the team cannot regularly fight for victories. Maybe the problem is something else, in the owners? Stroll came to AM and after a short time they are 2 team.

Don't feed the troll, I know but...

Who is saying they have built a top car?

In those 10 years, you cant say they didn't try, they've moved engine suppliers, sacked team principles and employed team principles.

And Stroll has been at AM 5 years, 4 of which they've been behind Mclaren. Now they have 5 races looking pretty good. But, they won't fight for wins. I'd be surprised if they won this year, or even next.

That's what I'm talking about, they change engineers, engines, there's no sense. Maybe the problem is something else? In top managers?

[Lucky]

Why McLaren Formula E, Extreme?
If you chase two hares, you won't catch up with one.

Unsure what the relevance is here. Don't see how they are related.

In F1, every nuance is important. When a team is dispersed into several directions, it inevitably affects in a negative way.

[CjC]

These are excuses, McLaren has not built a top car for more than 10 years.
Engineers change, engines change, and the team cannot regularly fight for victories. Maybe the problem is something else, in the owners? Stroll came to AM and after a short time they are 2 team.

Hired talent from the top teams, uses a state of the art wind tunnel and buys a PU and transmission from another.

Why couldn't McLaren find a modern wind tunnel? Maybe because their priorities are different, they hired 10 pilots, everyone laughed at them.

Good question about the tunnel, I’d imagine the Mclaren engineers were concerned that if they use the Merc tunnel and still get annihilated by Mercedes then their jobs/ reputation would be at stake. So used ‘their own’ tunnel

[Ben1980]

Why McLaren Formula E, Extreme?
If you chase two hares, you won't catch up with one.

Unsure what the relevance is here. Don't see how they are related.

In F1, every nuance is important. When a team is dispersed into several directions, it inevitably affects in a negative way.

How?

How does FE or Extreme negatively impact the F1 car and its development?

[Lucky]

Unsure what the relevance is here. Don't see how they are related.

In F1, every nuance is important. When a team is dispersed into several directions, it inevitably affects in a negative way.

How?

How does FE or Extreme negatively impact the F1 car and its development?

Open 4 businesses and you will definitely have problems, because there will simply not be enough time for everything.

[CjC]

Haha yes, always gets a bit fruity in here after a poor result. To be fair, just check the Mercedes or Ferrari team threads for the same thing

In other news, Gil de Ferran is back, for a year it seems, to help with restructuring. https://www.bbc.com/sport/formula1/65515325

They could do to sign another man from that era too. A certain Pat Fry.
I thought it was a shame then when Fry, Key and Mclaren couldn’t facilitate a structure to suit them all- resulting in Fry leaving.
It’s no coincidence that the Alpine has good down force and low drag.

They are still behind us in the table and only finished ahead last year due to a better driver pairing.

I'd not be happy to be an Alpine fan either these past few years.

Aston have set the benchmark for what can be done with the right knowledge and a bit of luck and Neither Mclaren or Alpine can shy away from their achievements, even if Alonso skills flatter the car a bit.

This season yes they are behind in the table but they should be way ahead. In Melbourne which became Mclaren best scoring race- Alpine should have scored a shed load of points.

Last season…. Ok the Alonso/ Ricciardo dynamic dominated the battle but Alpine showed a higher performance ceiling at certain tracks and for one reason or another couldn’t produce the result.
It was a bit like Mclaren in 2021 only they managed to produce the win and podiums when the pace was in the car.

You can’t deny that you would prefer to have Fry in the team than not?

[Ben1980]

In F1, every nuance is important. When a team is dispersed into several directions, it inevitably affects in a negative way.

How?

How does FE or Extreme negatively impact the F1 car and its development?

Open 4 businesses and you will definitely have problems, because there will simply not be enough time for everything.

So, your answer is. You don't know how it negatively impacts the F1 car.

So, we can put that one to bed.

[MrGapes]

Looking at telemetry our fastest trait is still corner exit, it is just that soon after corner exit we are mugged on speed.

I don't even think we were that bad on the straights relative to every car other than the Red Bull, it was weirdly in 1 or 2 corners we lost everything

Ham: Turn 16 and 17 +0.5
Per: Turn 17 +0.5 (we were within 0.25 of Perez before the last corner... and he went P3)
Sai: Turn 11 and 17 +0.6
Lec Turn 11 and 17 +0.5

We lost the entirety of the lap time in one or two corners...

Lando Q1 P16 vs Sainz Q1 P2 -0.708

Lando loses nearly half a second in T11

https://ibb.co/WfZv3DT

I'll try and post the Norris vs Ham telemetry in a minute, but as as soon as we were out of S1 we were slower than the Mercedes everywhere apart from the corner exit.

They were faster than us very soon after exit, which is a speed issue.

And the Merc has too much drag too, that's how slow we were here.

It could be that we also treat our tyres badly, they are very fickle this year, but if so its a problem with the car that needs fixing.

yes drag is 100% a issue, Merc weren't that bad on the straights here, they matched Williams and were faster than Haas.. they were pretty mid table.

Hams lap vs Lando's lap he lost approx. 0.200 on the straights, whilst definitely a hinderance... I found some particular corners to be a larger issue here if you compare a larger sample size of cars... (even if you compare Lando's and Russell's straight line speed it was actually similar, so Ham was definitely running less df)

[Lucky]

How?

How does FE or Extreme negatively impact the F1 car and its development?

Open 4 businesses and you will definitely have problems, because there will simply not be enough time for everything.

So, your answer is. You don't know how it negatively impacts the F1 car.

So, we can put that one to bed.

If you don't understand that it's always easier to do one thing than four, then you don't understand, not me.

[CjC]

Unsure what the relevance is here. Don't see how they are related.

In F1, every nuance is important. When a team is dispersed into several directions, it inevitably affects in a negative way.

How?

How does FE or Extreme negatively impact the F1 car and its development?

Lucky has a point. Mclaren have done this before. They have relatively decent success in F1 then branch out into other areas then the following seasons in F1 they start to suffer.

The Red Bull team based at Milton Keynes are solely driven to succeed in F1 and it shows. If anything Red Bull have the personnel to diverse into other category’s but choose to keep them all focused on producing the finest chassis F1 has ever seen.

[MrGapes]

In F1, every nuance is important. When a team is dispersed into several directions, it inevitably affects in a negative way.

How?

How does FE or Extreme negatively impact the F1 car and its development?

Lucky has a point. Mclaren have done this before. They have relatively decent success in F1 then branch out into other areas then the following seasons in F1 they start to suffer.

The Red Bull team based at Milton Keynes are solely driven to succeed in F1 and it shows. If anything Red Bull have the personnel to diverse into other category’s but choose to keep them all focused on producing the finest chassis F1 has ever seen.

You know there's a cost cap... where you can essentially have a limited amount of employees under the cap... and all these employees work solely on F1

[mclaren111]

So explain to me which monkey they let screw with the cars this weekend to produce this utter mess

No idea what happened. It was looking good yesterday. Maybe they tried to push on something for more straight-line speed, and it hasn't worked. Could be anything.

Might be worth doign a hulkenberg and starting both cars from pit lane after a significant set up change, might aswell Park both cars in the fake marina for all the chance they have of scoring points with this setup

Agreed... Make it a good test session...

[Lucky]

How?

How does FE or Extreme negatively impact the F1 car and its development?

Lucky has a point. Mclaren have done this before. They have relatively decent success in F1 then branch out into other areas then the following seasons in F1 they start to suffer.

The Red Bull team based at Milton Keynes are solely driven to succeed in F1 and it shows. If anything Red Bull have the personnel to diverse into other category’s but choose to keep them all focused on producing the finest chassis F1 has ever seen.

You know there's a cost cap... where you can essentially have a limited amount of employees under the cap... and all these employees work solely on F1

And the management? Do we have four Zacks? Even a small nuance is important.