2023 Miami Grand Prix - Miami Intl. Autodrome, May 05 - 07

[Matt2725]

How long it takes 10 cars leaving the pitlane from the green light, considering the gap they need between each other to run on clean air?

There was no time to restart the sesion, that´s all

Would have made quali interesing, but now it will make race interesing, I do prefer it this way

Max's outlaps were 1.45's. Given you could leave 4-5 seconds between them you could have got at least 40% of the field through on another hot lap. Probably even more if it was a fast outlap. 15 seconds remaining if you removed the outlap speed (given cars do different outlap speeds) your looking at 4-5 cars being able to start a hot lap within a safe distance of each other. 4 cars out of 9 on a hot lap is 44% of the field.

Are you proposing a final qualifying run where only a part of the drivers who qualified to Q3 can participate? That would be extremelly unfair and against the spirit of sports.

It would also be dangerous, as all drivers will push like mad on the warm up lap to pass the line before the red light. Forcing drivers to fight on a street circuit, with cold tires from the pitlane, when you know beforehand not all of them will do it, doesn´t look like a good idea IMHO

I would suggest they're proposing an idea where a certain driver is given a reprieve despite messing up when it counted. Rest of the grid in Q3 be damned of course.

[AR3-GP]

How long it takes 10 cars leaving the pitlane from the green light, considering the gap they need between each other to run on clean air?

There was no time to restart the sesion, that´s all

Would have made quali interesing, but now it will make race interesing, I do prefer it this way

Max's outlaps were 1.45's. Given you could leave 4-5 seconds between them you could have got at least 40% of the field through on another hot lap. Probably even more if it was a fast outlap. 15 seconds remaining if you removed the outlap speed (given cars do different outlap speeds) your looking at 4-5 cars being able to start a hot lap within a safe distance of each other. 4 cars out of 9 on a hot lap is 44% of the field.

Are you proposing a final qualifying run where only a part of the drivers who qualified to Q3 can participate? That would be extremelly unfair and against the spirit of sports.

It would also be dangerous, as all drivers will push like mad on the warm up lap to pass the line before the red light. Forcing drivers to fight on a street circuit, with cold tires from the pitlane, when you know beforehand not all of them will do it, doesn´t look like a good idea IMHO

A race you mean? Oh the tragedy

Are people listening to themselves? What do you think happens in a race when it starts raining and everyone pits?

[chrisc90]

Max's outlaps were 1.45's. Given you could leave 4-5 seconds between them you could have got at least 40% of the field through on another hot lap. Probably even more if it was a fast outlap. 15 seconds remaining if you removed the outlap speed (given cars do different outlap speeds) your looking at 4-5 cars being able to start a hot lap within a safe distance of each other. 4 cars out of 9 on a hot lap is 44% of the field.

Are you proposing a final qualifying run where only a part of the drivers who qualified to Q3 can participate? That would be extremelly unfair and against the spirit of sports.

It would also be dangerous, as all drivers will push like mad on the warm up lap to pass the line before the red light. Forcing drivers to fight on a street circuit, with cold tires from the pitlane, when you know beforehand not all of them will do it, doesn´t look like a good idea IMHO

I would suggest they're proposing an idea where a certain driver is given a reprieve despite messing up when it counted. Rest of the grid in Q3 be damned of course.

Ahh yes, a rule to allow a certain driver to run a hot lap at the end because they didn't get a banker in. Makes great sense to me. Absolutely brilliant idea. Why haven't they thought of that before?

[Andres125sx]

If you make it out in time then why not? Anyone could participate. It would be no different to what happens now except marginally less time.

What your technically saying, is that nobody should be allowed to leave the pitlane with a lap time + a certain amount of time added on to do another hot lap because it would be dangerous. If it was dangerous, the pit exit would be closed say 30seconds more than what lap times people were doing. The fact they dont, means its perfectly fine, and safe, to allow drivers to come out and do a lap in whatever time they feel they can get enough temperature in the tyres for a hot lap.

That´s a normal scenario when most drivers left the pitlane with loads of time, so if some left it in last seconds (plus a fast lap) there´s no problem to do an almost fast lap with cold tires (as in a race after a pitstop).

But releasing 10 cars with no time for all of them, is a completely different scenario. You´d be forcing drivers to fight with cold tires and dirty air at the same time (as there´s no time for all cars to leave a gap and avoid dirty air) while doing an almost fast lap, and overtaking each other as mad because they know some will not do it so none will accept going at the back of the pack.

That can only be a good idea if you´re eager to cause another red flag

[PlatinumZealot]

Green track not good for Aston martin or Red Bull.

[AR3-GP]

Green track not good for Aston martin or Red Bull.

Green track is not good for the teams who struggle with tire wear, have less downforce in race trim, and have no rear end stability (Merc, Ferrari).

It plays right into the hands of Red Bull and Aston Martin.

[Andres125sx]

Max's outlaps were 1.45's. Given you could leave 4-5 seconds between them you could have got at least 40% of the field through on another hot lap. Probably even more if it was a fast outlap. 15 seconds remaining if you removed the outlap speed (given cars do different outlap speeds) your looking at 4-5 cars being able to start a hot lap within a safe distance of each other. 4 cars out of 9 on a hot lap is 44% of the field.

Are you proposing a final qualifying run where only a part of the drivers who qualified to Q3 can participate? That would be extremelly unfair and against the spirit of sports.

It would also be dangerous, as all drivers will push like mad on the warm up lap to pass the line before the red light. Forcing drivers to fight on a street circuit, with cold tires from the pitlane, when you know beforehand not all of them will do it, doesn´t look like a good idea IMHO

A race you mean? Oh the tragedy

Are people listening to themselves? What do you think happens in a race when it starts raining and everyone pits?

Do you know what is the laptime delta between qualy and race conditions? You´re comparing apples to oranges.

On a race none needs to do a qualy lap with cold tires and dirty air, while trying to pass some other car who is also trying to do a qualy lap with cold tires and dirty air. Let alone being forced to do it in 1 lap or you´re disqualifed

Forcing drivers to do a qualy lap with cold tires is not F1, that could work on destruction derby tough

[AR3-GP]

Are you proposing a final qualifying run where only a part of the drivers who qualified to Q3 can participate? That would be extremelly unfair and against the spirit of sports.

It would also be dangerous, as all drivers will push like mad on the warm up lap to pass the line before the red light. Forcing drivers to fight on a street circuit, with cold tires from the pitlane, when you know beforehand not all of them will do it, doesn´t look like a good idea IMHO

A race you mean? Oh the tragedy

Are people listening to themselves? What do you think happens in a race when it starts raining and everyone pits?

Do you know what is the laptime delta between qualy and race conditions? You´re comparing apples to oranges.

On a race none needs to do a qualy lap with cold tires and dirty air, while trying to pass some other car who is also trying to do a qualy lap with cold tires and dirty air. Let alone being forced to do it in 1 lap or you´re disqualifed

Forcing drivers to do a fast lap with cold tires is not F1, that could work on destruction derby tough

I don't see any concern here. This kind of thing happened at least once or twice in the last two years.

[Andres125sx]

A race you mean? Oh the tragedy

Are people listening to themselves? What do you think happens in a race when it starts raining and everyone pits?

Do you know what is the laptime delta between qualy and race conditions? You´re comparing apples to oranges.

On a race none needs to do a qualy lap with cold tires and dirty air, while trying to pass some other car who is also trying to do a qualy lap with cold tires and dirty air. Let alone being forced to do it in 1 lap or you´re disqualifed

Forcing drivers to do a fast lap with cold tires is not F1, that could work on destruction derby tough

I don't see any concern here. This kind of thing happened at least once or twice in the last two years.

Can you point me to 1 single situation when a qualy session was restarted with similiar time left? ie only 30 seconds more than the fastest lap of the day

[search]

Do you know what is the laptime delta between qualy and race conditions? You´re comparing apples to oranges.

On a race none needs to do a qualy lap with cold tires and dirty air, while trying to pass some other car who is also trying to do a qualy lap with cold tires and dirty air. Let alone being forced to do it in 1 lap or you´re disqualifed

Forcing drivers to do a fast lap with cold tires is not F1, that could work on destruction derby tough

I don't see any concern here. This kind of thing happened at least once or twice in the last two years.

Can you point me to 1 single situation when a qualy session was restarted with similiar time left? ie only 30 seconds more than the fastest lap of the day

can't say when or where it was exactly, but I remember qualifying sessions where not everyone made it over the line after a red flag

[AMG.Tzan]

Why is everyone complaining about Qualifying not being stopped earlier or restarted??

Having Verstapen start 9th is just what F1 needs right now! Had he started first he would have sailed into the distance! At least now he has some cars to overtake before winning! Not to mention that if Perez manages to win one way or another, it will make the championship end a bit later…

Verstapen will win over 15 races again this year so who cares if he loses some…

[Wouter]

[AR3-GP]

I don't see any concern here. This kind of thing happened at least once or twice in the last two years.

Can you point me to 1 single situation when a qualy session was restarted with similiar time left? ie only 30 seconds more than the fastest lap of the day

can't say when or where it was exactly, but I remember qualifying sessions where not everyone made it over the line after a red flag

Yes there are a couple in the last 2-3 years. To be honest I'm forgetting the more recent examples but I know they happened. As for an older one, see Monza 2019, where drivers left pits with only about 1.46 remaining and then messed about looking for slip streams instead of pressing on to start the lap.

[search]

Can you point me to 1 single situation when a qualy session was restarted with similiar time left? ie only 30 seconds more than the fastest lap of the day

can't say when or where it was exactly, but I remember qualifying sessions where not everyone made it over the line after a red flag

Yes there are a couple in the last 2-3 years. To be honest I'm forgetting the more recent examples but I know they happened. As for an older one, see Monza 2019, where drivers left pits with only about 1.46 remaining and then messed about looking for slip streams instead of pressing on to start the lap.

I found those from last year:

- Melbourne 2022 Q1 was restarted with 2:01 to go
- Baku 2022 Q1 was restarted with 2:30 to go

so a bit more than half a minute, but not much

[Mogster]

From METAR at Miami Opa-locka airport the rain has arrived.