2023 - McLaren Formula 1 Team

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CjC wrote:
07 May 2023, 14:00
AR3-GP wrote:
07 May 2023, 13:46
Slahinki wrote:
07 May 2023, 10:30
https://i.redd.it/8q26qwpwteya1.jpg

Once again we have improved by almost 1.5 seconds over last year, but unfortunately most other teams improved significantly more.
This is what I warned about when the Mclaren upgrade package was announced.
You have to think will Mclaren always be 3 months behind on development?
Aston Martin shows that it's not impossible to make seismic steps, but they are an exception. Mclaren will have to aim to be the exception next season.
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mwillems wrote:
07 May 2023, 11:54
CjC wrote:
07 May 2023, 09:59
mwillems wrote:
07 May 2023, 09:32


They are still behind us in the table and only finished ahead last year due to a better driver pairing.

I'd not be happy to be an Alpine fan either these past few years.

Aston have set the benchmark for what can be done with the right knowledge and a bit of luck and Neither Mclaren or Alpine can shy away from their achievements, even if Alonso skills flatter the car a bit.
This season yes they are behind in the table but they should be way ahead. In Melbourne which became Mclaren best scoring race- Alpine should have scored a shed load of points.

Last season…. Ok the Alonso/ Ricciardo dynamic dominated the battle but Alpine showed a higher performance ceiling at certain tracks and for one reason or another couldn’t produce the result.
It was a bit like Mclaren in 2021 only they managed to produce the win and podiums when the pace was in the car.

You can’t deny that you would prefer to have Fry in the team than not?
To be fair I think we were the better car at maby tracks last year too, but only one driver could show it.


In terms of Pat Fry... I don't think he is a silver bullet, I think we need to improve everywhere.

Sanchez is a good start and now promdorou can have no excuses, so let's see how it goes.

They got a load of new talent in since Dec so maybe they have addressed it.

But I don't think the car is down to one person. Unless your Newey.
Potentially yes it was a better car but that’s history now and will go down in history as Alpine being the faster car.

No Fry won’t be a silver bullet but he’s a quality engineer and just like in any organisation you want quality all the way through the ranks and across the board.

Newey designed this years suspension layout on the Red Bull because he thought it was a critical part of the chassis under these regs, he too needs a quality team around in, which he clearly has, it’s full of said strength and depth.
Just a fan's point of view

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AR3-GP wrote:
07 May 2023, 14:12
CjC wrote:
07 May 2023, 14:00
AR3-GP wrote:
07 May 2023, 13:46


This is what I warned about when the Mclaren upgrade package was announced.
You have to think will Mclaren always be 3 months behind on development?
Aston Martin shows that it's not impossible to make seismic steps, but they are an exception. Mclaren will have to aim to be the exception next season.
Yes…. Next season though. It’s a pitty if we have to throw away our expectations for the season just 5 races in….
Just a fan's point of view

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CjC wrote:
07 May 2023, 14:17
mwillems wrote:
07 May 2023, 11:54
CjC wrote:
07 May 2023, 09:59


This season yes they are behind in the table but they should be way ahead. In Melbourne which became Mclaren best scoring race- Alpine should have scored a shed load of points.

Last season…. Ok the Alonso/ Ricciardo dynamic dominated the battle but Alpine showed a higher performance ceiling at certain tracks and for one reason or another couldn’t produce the result.
It was a bit like Mclaren in 2021 only they managed to produce the win and podiums when the pace was in the car.

You can’t deny that you would prefer to have Fry in the team than not?
To be fair I think we were the better car at maby tracks last year too, but only one driver could show it.


In terms of Pat Fry... I don't think he is a silver bullet, I think we need to improve everywhere.

Sanchez is a good start and now promdorou can have no excuses, so let's see how it goes.

They got a load of new talent in since Dec so maybe they have addressed it.

But I don't think the car is down to one person. Unless your Newey.
Potentially yes it was a better car but that’s history now and will go down in history as Alpine being the faster car.

No Fry won’t be a silver bullet but he’s a quality engineer and just like in any organisation you want quality all the way through the ranks and across the board.

Newey designed this years suspension layout on the Red Bull because he thought it was a critical part of the chassis under these regs, he too needs a quality team around in, which he clearly has, it’s full of said strength and depth.
Sadly I don't think the Renaults and Alpines are going to be remembered by anyone apart from the hardcore fans on here, we just don't matter right now :(

Yeah even Newey will have top talent around him. We just need to hang in there, we will catch a break and success generates success. Once we produce a decent car we will start to be a more attractive proposition and the team will grow in a positive way. Until then, we have had one track where the car has been poor, other than that we could have scored more points in the other races and it didn't work out for one reason or another.

This race doesn't define the season or the car and the team have already made clear that the bigger change making upgrades come next.

No point moaning about it, we are where we are. I've said from the start of the season that the only thing that counts is how fast the car is at the end, and I stand by that. If we make the progress we intend to make then I don't care about the finishing position, I want a platform for continuous improvement from this season on.

All the whiners and those who can't add anything constructive go straight to the block list cos just what's the point in paying any attention to them.
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Mclaren struggle more when it’s low grip.
https://the-race.com/formula-1/trend-em ... ince-2018/

Stella seems to able to find the problems- will he be able to find the answers is another question that time will only tell.

He’s a new team principle but was an engineer previously so you have to think he’ll be the man to sort it.
Just a fan's point of view

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I know someone has mentioned this already

https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/indy- ... /10466341/

If Stella rates Gil this highly then why don’t they give him a full time role?
Like I said before teams need strength and depth across the board
Just a fan's point of view

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CjC wrote:
07 May 2023, 14:42
I know someone has mentioned this already

https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/indy- ... /10466341/

If Stella rates Gil this highly then why don’t they give him a full time role?
Like I said before teams need strength and depth across the board
Maybe his skills are deemed as very important to the group and they’re just poking him into a gap made by Key and Seidl departures. Specialist aero and concept design people are what McLaren are shopping for.

Tomorrow’s another day, different track conditions, a potentially volatile grid, everything to play for, keep the faith, pray for better luck than Baku with safety cars. Could be very juicy…… or frustrating.

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As promised, the telemetry from Q1 yesterday, Norris vs Hamilton.

Look how quickly we are mugged on the straight. When looking at the FP2 telemetry I suggested our main positive trait was that we are good getting out of the corners, but that we may have been flattered by the engine modes.

Well we were, because we are good out of the corners, but 15 meters later we are generally already getting mugged. The twisty section of 11-16 was a killer for us, but so were the straights, so basically everything apart from the first third of the track. But you could almost put a ruler on the gap to Hamilton line at S2 onwards and everything will line up, demonstrating that the corners weren't the biggest differentiator, they were only a little worse than the lack of speed.

But given that the low grip situation punished us on this track, as the race wears on in theory we should gain competitiveness. However, a total lack of speed on the straights means it is highly unlikely we will do much overtaking but we could do some undercuts if we are kind enough to the tyres. I doubt that will be enough to get any points in the end though, barring safety car, collisions and general race madness mixing things up, we're in all probability screwed :lol:

I'll still watch though to see if something crazy happens or if somehow against odds the car clicks on the track.

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Over at Mercedes there’s just as much head scratching going on
https://www.the-race.com/formula-1/mark ... ficit-yet/

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I'm not surprised, only Hamilton and Nick DV went SLOWER in Q2 than Q1...

George Russell though was only 2 tenths faster than Hamilton and was in 6th and not 13th, that is how tight it is.
The racing this year is a bit boring, but one thing I do like is that barring RB, everyone else behind is so close that the driver really does make the difference. One small mistake in Qualifying yesterday can cost you 6 or 7 places. And on the flip side, if you put the perfect lap together you can find those places.

I just wish we could have that AND overtaking!
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Norris vs Piastri

Piastri appears to be operating a lower downforce setup, losing time in the corners but gaining on the straight.

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What can Gil de Ferran give to a McLaren car, another stupid waste of money.

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Lucky wrote:
07 May 2023, 15:58
What can Gil de Ferran give to a McLaren car, another stupid waste of money.
Well given McLaren have been on a hiring spree getting David Sanchez, supposedly Mariano Alperin and a dozen or so other engineers from the grid. Unsure of other names who have joined however just because the names are not in the public domain doesn’t mean McLaren aren’t trying and hiring further talent to improve the team!!

Stella feels Gil can add some value so we have to back his decision

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ScottR267 wrote:
07 May 2023, 16:38
Lucky wrote:
07 May 2023, 15:58
What can Gil de Ferran give to a McLaren car, another stupid waste of money.
Well given McLaren have been on a hiring spree getting David Sanchez, supposedly Mariano Alperin and a dozen or so other engineers from the grid. Unsure of other names who have joined however just because the names are not in the public domain doesn’t mean McLaren aren’t trying and hiring further talent to improve the team!!

Stella feels Gil can add some value so we have to back his decision
Support, and I am against stupid decisions.

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mwillems wrote:
07 May 2023, 09:06
MrGapes wrote:
07 May 2023, 08:35
mwillems wrote:
07 May 2023, 07:10
Looking at telemetry our fastest trait is still corner exit, it is just that soon after corner exit we are mugged on speed.
I don't even think we were that bad on the straights relative to every car other than the Red Bull, it was weirdly in 1 or 2 corners we lost everything

Ham: Turn 16 and 17 +0.5
Per: Turn 17 +0.5 (we were within 0.25 of Perez before the last corner... and he went P3)
Sai: Turn 11 and 17 +0.6
Lec Turn 11 and 17 +0.5

We lost the entirety of the lap time in one or two corners...

Lando Q1 P16 vs Sainz Q1 P2 -0.708

Lando loses nearly half a second in T11

https://ibb.co/WfZv3DT
I'll try and post the Norris vs Ham telemetry in a minute, but as as soon as we were out of S1 we were slower than the Mercedes everywhere apart from the corner exit.

They were faster than us very soon after exit, which is a speed issue.

And the Merc has too much drag too, that's how slow we were here.

It could be that we also treat our tyres badly, they are very fickle this year, but if so its a problem with the car that needs fixing.
If we are losing speed right after exit, it isn’t a drag issue… Drag negative impact starts at roughly 250km/h